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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi David, > On Nov 4, 2026, at 20:14, David Lang wrote: >=20 > Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: >=20 >>> In essence, someone in France could VPN to a different country; = neither the ISP or the VPN provider would know the specific content = being accessed >>=20 >> Indeed, and the law explicitly states that just received bytes for = the ISPs customers are to be counted, per ASN and the bill is supposed = to be sent to that ASN, independent of whether that ASN is the true = source or what kind of data we are talking about... actually the law = states that neither destination (the specific enduser) nor content are = to be looked at/reported/aggregated. >=20 > so if a packet transitions multiple ISPs, each one would generate a = bill for the traffic? what a way to entrench large ISPs As far as I understand only the final ISP that serves the destination IP = address... so if e.g. free would use orange as transit provider orange = would not count that data as it does not terminate at end-users. BUT I = have only read translations as my french is to bad and I have zero = understanding of french legalese, so you might be correct that such a = situation is not currently handled*=20 >=20 > (I may be misunderstanding something) I am in the same boat ;) >=20 > David Lang *) Ans anyway, I thing we all agree this thing is half-baked at best and = will not pass (at least not in that form).=