From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.taht.net (mail.taht.net [176.58.107.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA6A3B2A4 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 22:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (mobile-166-137-176-054.mycingular.net [166.137.176.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.taht.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1C922130D; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:04:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Dave Taht Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_95F2ECA0-55E0-44E2-91FE-AAAD239E6CC5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.80.0.2.43\)) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:04:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net To: Nathan Owens References: <4XxOdTE7SSKV1PSkdhm_Ng@geopod-ismtpd-3-0> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) Subject: Re: [Starlink] ordered my dishy!! X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:04:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_95F2ECA0-55E0-44E2-91FE-AAAD239E6CC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 24, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Nathan Owens wrote: >=20 > *pre-ordered (so much confusion about this on Reddit) >=20 > The newer dish model pulls closer to 65-70W, fwiw. One of the things we worked on in the make-wifi-fast project was = combined power and rate control.=20 My guess is that if all you want is 2Mbit service you can cut the power = requirements enormously. > Might pull more in snow melt mode One of my unanswered questions is how long does it take to power up and = start transferring data? I=E2=80=99ve worked on linux fast boot (sub second boot times) - in the = past. Most seem to have forgotten how to do that (sigh) and have boot = times measured in minutes. One reason why I like openwrt so much is it = boots in seconds - totally bound by the pathetically slow NAND or NOR = chips other people insist on using still. With some work you can also = get rid of the friggin bootloader, also. My initial model for the marine market and for one of my clients is very = different from how most use the internet today as an always on service. In this case I just need to get on a couple times a day, download my = email, grab a few new music files, get the weather report, and get off. = So I really don=E2=80=99t need all that much power for very long, except = to surf the web briefly and make a ton of videoconference calls. An hour = or two a day, tops. I=E2=80=99ve written a lot about =E2=80=9Cdesigning for the = disconnect=E2=80=9D in the past 4 decades and I really kind of hate the = idea of the internet being an always-on drug. Here=E2=80=99s one old = talk I gave in australia quite some time back about it. http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2019/12/designing-for-disconnect.html There=E2=80=99s another always-on marine sub-project we=E2=80=99re on, = though, that I *long* to talk about but can=E2=80=99t, unless somehow we = can get the starlink folk to do an apollo 13 and fix their !@#!! = bufferbloat with something like cake, or we can figure out how to = optimize dynamically for it via another router hanging off of the dishy.=20= tidbit - one time recently I was 10 miles out at sea, in a 25 knot gale = and 15+ seas trying to write something down important, and I hit the = wrong key and the !@#!@@ new apple M1 laptop asked me: =E2=80=9Cdo you want to install siri=E2=80=9D "No, damn it, I just want to write stuff. If there=E2=80=99s no friggin = internet why on earth do I want to use siri?=E2=80=9D (apologies I=E2=80=99m grumpy today) >=20 > =E2=80=94Nathan >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:01 PM Dave Taht > wrote: > I ordered my dishy today. It looks like a couple months or more before = I can get one=E2=80=A6 :( >=20 > I have all sorts of cool stuff for rock steady movement compensation = and so forth on my sailboat here. I hope, that at least at anchor in = pillar point harbor or nearby, that it will =E2=80=9Cjust work=E2=80=9D. = It=E2=80=99s been a useful place to debug and improve LTE and 5G = behaviors for the past couple years.=20 >=20 > When starlink gets movement truly mastered it will be *awesome*.=20 >=20 > My LTE up on the mast is pretty amazing (I get 5+ miles and pretty = good behavior from the cake instance and monitoring tools there) but = there are many spots along the california coast (and obviously further = out) that are dead zones.=20 >=20 > The 100+W power requirements are going to hurt though! I just ordered = another solar panel and some hefty lithium batteries.=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: "Starlink" > >> Subject: Starlink Order Confirmed >> Date: June 24, 2021 at 5:44:17 PM PDT >> To: davet@teklibre.net >>=20 >>=20 >> Order Confirmed >>=20 >>=20 >> Order Number: >> ORD-972149-36038-99 >> Service Address: >> 80 Cabrillo Hwy N, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, USA = >> Shipping Address: >> 80 CABRILLO HWY N STE Q = , PMB 404, HALF MOON BAY, CA, 94019-1650, US >>=20 >> Starlink is targeting coverage in your area in mid to late 2021. = Orders will be fulfilled on a first-come, first-served basis. You will = be notified via email prior to shipment, and you will be charged the = remainder of your balance 3 days after you receive your order = notification email. >>=20 >> Your Starlink Kit will arrive with your Starlink, wifi router, power = supply, cables and mounting tripod. For more information or to cancel = your order, sign in to your account. >> SIGN IN TO MY ACCOUNT = >> Space Exploration Technologies Corp | 1 Rocket Road, Hawthorne, CA = 90250 = =20 >> Questions? See Starlink FAQs > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink = --Apple-Mail=_95F2ECA0-55E0-44E2-91FE-AAAD239E6CC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Jun 24, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io> = wrote:

*pre-ordered (so much confusion = about this on Reddit)

The newer dish model pulls = closer to 65-70W, fwiw.

One of the things we worked on in the make-wifi-fast = project was combined power and rate control. 

My guess is that if all you want is 2Mbit service = you can cut the power requirements enormously.

Might pull more in snow melt = mode

One of my = unanswered questions is how long does it take to power up and start = transferring data?

I=E2=80=99ve = worked on linux fast boot (sub second boot times) - in the past. Most = seem to have forgotten how to do that (sigh) and have boot times = measured in minutes. One reason why I like openwrt so much is it boots = in seconds - totally bound by the pathetically slow NAND or NOR chips = other people insist on using still. With some work you can also get rid = of the friggin bootloader, also.

My = initial model for the marine market and for one of my clients is very = different from how most use the internet today as an always on = service.

In this case I just need to = get on a couple times a day, download my email, grab a few new music = files, get the weather report, and get off. So I really don=E2=80=99t = need all that much power for very long, except to surf the web briefly = and make a ton of videoconference calls. An hour or two a day, = tops.

I=E2=80=99ve written a lot = about =E2=80=9Cdesigning for the disconnect=E2=80=9D in the past 4 = decades and I really kind of hate the idea of the internet being an = always-on drug. Here=E2=80=99s one old talk I gave in australia quite = some time back about it.



There=E2=80=99s another always-on marine = sub-project we=E2=80=99re on, though, that I *long* to talk about but = can=E2=80=99t, unless somehow we can get the starlink folk to do an = apollo 13 and fix their !@#!! bufferbloat with something like cake, or = we can figure out how to optimize dynamically for it via another router = hanging off of the dishy. 

tidbit= - one time recently I was 10 miles out at sea, in a 25 knot gale and = 15+ seas trying to write something down important, and I hit the wrong = key and the !@#!@@ new apple M1 laptop  asked me:

=E2=80=9Cdo you want to install = siri=E2=80=9D

"No, damn it, I just = want to write stuff. If there=E2=80=99s no friggin internet why on earth = do I want to use siri?=E2=80=9D

(apologies I=E2=80=99m grumpy today)


=E2=80=94Nathan


On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 7:01 PM Dave Taht <davet@teklibre.net> wrote:
I = ordered my dishy today. It looks like a couple months or more before I = can get one=E2=80=A6 :(

I have all sorts of cool stuff for rock steady movement = compensation and so forth on my sailboat here. I hope, that at least at = anchor in pillar point harbor or nearby, that it will =E2=80=9Cjust = work=E2=80=9D.  It=E2=80=99s been a useful place to debug and = improve LTE and 5G behaviors for the past couple years. 

When starlink gets = movement truly mastered it will be *awesome*. 

My LTE up on the mast is = pretty amazing (I get 5+ miles and pretty good behavior from the cake = instance and monitoring tools there) but there are many spots along the = california coast (and obviously further out) that are dead = zones. 

The= 100+W power requirements are going to hurt though! I just ordered = another solar panel and some hefty lithium batteries. 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Starlink" <no-reply@starlink.com>
Subject: Starlink Order = Confirmed
Date: June 24, 2021 at 5:44:17 PM = PDT
To: davet@teklibre.net

=
3D"Starlink

Order Confirmed

3D""
Order Number:
ORD-972149-36038-99
Service Address:
80 Cabrillo Hwy N, Half Moon Bay, CA 94019, = USA
Shipping Address:
80 CABRILLO HWY N STE Q, PMB 404, HALF = MOON BAY, CA, 94019-1650, US

Starlink is targeting coverage = in your area in mid to late 2021. Orders will be fulfilled on a first-come, first-served basis. = You will be notified via email prior to shipment, and you will be = charged the remainder of your balance 3 days after you receive your = order notification email.

Your Starlink Kit will arrive with your = Starlink, wifi router, power supply, cables and mounting tripod. For = more information or to cancel your order, sign in to your = account.
SIGN = IN TO MY = ACCOUNT
Space Exploration = Technologies Corp | 1 Rocket Road, Hawthorne, CA 90250 
Questions? = See Starlink = FAQs

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