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Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > The point of SCONE is allow end ("terminals") to better select (video) bandwidths that are going to be more sustainable. It's definitely driven by 3GPP (LTE) operators so far. I give it a 40% chance of getting usefully deployed before the need is overtaken by other events. The promise is that 3GPP operators won't have to do expensive DPI anymore. I am not a MNO but I think, given pervasive encryption, at this point it is less deep packet inspection and just header inspection. Probably the rule is something like, if dest IP/FQDN = YouTube, then assign RAN priority X and max bitrate Y. JL