[Starlink] Re: Lost in Space: The Limits of Geolocation in a Satellite-Connected World (new article from Geoff Huston)

["Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>]

Related reminder that the IAB is holding a workshop on IP Geolocation – with statements of interested due at the end of this week. For more info:
https://www.iab.org/announcements/call-for-papers-iab-workshop-on-ip-address-geolocation-ip-geo/

Call for Papers: IAB Workshop on IP Address Geolocation (ip-geo)
17 Jul 2025, 6:42 p.m.
This workshop aims to understand the current use cases for publishing, discovering, and consuming IP address geolocation data.
Workshop Description
This workshop aims to understand the current use cases for publishing, discovering, and consuming IP address geolocation data ('IP-geo' hereafter). It will also explore areas for improvement, both in ways to update or replace IP geolocation mechanisms, and to consider mechanisms that satisfy the use cases without relying on IP addresses.
The IAB seeks short position papers on the topics listed below. This list is non-exhaustive and should be interpreted broadly.

  *   Today's Use Cases: How is IP-geo data used today? In particular, what are the root challenges, technical needs, or business needs that IP-geo data is being leveraged to address?
  *   Gaps and Problems: What are gaps or problems with the current approaches being used by industry? Are there preferences for particular file types? How effective are current approaches? What are the impacts on user privacy?
  *   Future Opportunities: If we re-designed technical solutions to address the motivating use cases, what would those solutions look like? Are there alternative approaches that can avoid the gaps and problems we have today? Is there value in conveying other information in addition to or instead of geography, such as type of last mile network connection?




From: Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2025 at 01:33
To: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [Starlink] Lost in Space: The Limits of Geolocation in a Satellite-Connected World (new article from Geoff Huston)
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://circleid.com/posts/limits-of-geolocation-in-a-satellite-connected-world__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!EFQL8aw74ccWvN8krJFCWAe6jGUXLywQDRUR_DX7p0sz9VXAb0IJ-o-NUrY106OF9HEQlkGBclyVVUmd3CB6Ef7vTlJ2Y7KKvw$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/circleid.com/posts/limits-of-geolocation-in-a-satellite-connected-world__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!EFQL8aw74ccWvN8krJFCWAe6jGUXLywQDRUR_DX7p0sz9VXAb0IJ-o-NUrY106OF9HEQlkGBclyVVUmd3CB6Ef7vTlJ2Y7KKvw$>

“Where are you?” is not an easy question to answer on the Internet. The
telephone system’s address plan embedded a certain amount of physical
location information in the fixed-line network, and a full E.164 telephone
number indicated your location in terms of your country and your area
within that country. The Internet did not adopt a geographic address plan,
which means that you will need a lot of additional information to map an IP
address to a location at the country or city level."

All the best,

Frank

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