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Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2022 23:46:19 -0000 --_000_SN6PR03MB387097CE5826DC265DF5CDB7C2C29SN6PR03MB3870namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In a week or two I'm going to take my dish out and drive around for a few= hours Roaming in motion works -- see the updates at the end of this post: https://circleid.com/posts/20220225-spacex-is-testing-starlink-roaming But it's not yet officially supported. Elon Musk says it's working in Ukraine. Stationary roaming, portability, is now officially offered at extra cost an= d with some constraints: https://support.starlink.com/?topic=3D1426e78a-7384-0334-3fc0-ddf5a76d7afe Larry ________________________________ From: Starlink on behalf of David = Lang Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 2:21 AM To: Ulrich Speidel Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) remember that starlink is getting coverage from many satellites as they com= e over, it's not like geostationary satellites that can aim specific antennas= at specific locations (i.e. 'spotbeams' are not a thing) (just received the inverter I ordered, now to convert the plugs...) I expect the waitlist is a combination of two things. 1. the number of subscribers already in the area 2. supply availability (I expect this is why Ukraine is a waitlist, they ha= ve supplied dishes to the government, but if you try to order one yourself, yo= u would have to wait) David Lang On Thu, 5 May 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:40:01 +1200 > From: Ulrich Speidel > To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd) > > Cool. Very interesting! That's one pile of information all of a sudden. T= hey > could do that more often IMHO. > > Nothing like official confirmation that the tropics are an almost > Starlink-free zone, and that places reasonably away from the 53rd paralle= ls > are secondary service zones. They forgot their 50-odd terminals in Tonga = (I > heard yesterday about someone in the northern islands who brought a dishy > from overseas and found it didn't work... obviously believed the headline= s... > sigh). > > Also interesting that there seems to be, finally, some sort of disclosure= on > cell size. Someone will need to explain to me why there are waitlist area= s in > the Auckland area surrounded by full service. The areas concerned are rur= al, > which you'd think they'd want to service with priority over our > well-connected CBD... Too many subscribers there already, or not enough t= o > warrant a spot beam? Similar soft spots near Sydney, holes in Foveaux Str= ait, > the Hauraki Gulf, southeast of Murray Bridge in South Australia, southern > Chile, ... What do I read into this? Two-fold: Where it's near 53 degrees= , > they're probably oversubscribed or lack terminal supply, or both. Where i= t's > well away from 53 degrees, I'd guess they probably just lack satellite > capacity full stop. > > Ukraine is waitlisted...? But wait - didn't Starlink just take over the > Internet there? Interesting also that one of the waitlist / no service ar= eas > in Germany is right where they had the floods & where Starlink got deploy= ed > very publicly with (I understand) some success. Did the locals hang on to= the > emergency dishys and does this now saturate the network there? And what d= id > the Greeks do to be all waitlisted? > > So what happens if you roam from a place with availability into a place w= ith > "waitlist" status? Anyone with a dishy up for a road trip with a story to > tell? > > $25/month sounds steep but is probably modest in comparison to the roamin= g > charges that some cellular providers charge. > > On 5/05/2022 7:00 pm, David Lang wrote: >> received this Wednesday evening. >> Makes sense, >> >> David Lang >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Portability Now Available >> >> Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature for all >> Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily move th= eir >> Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhere where >> Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent. To see acti= ve >> coverage areas, please view the Starlink Availability Map ( >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/map__;!!P7nkOOY!sj8O= eR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHPQ$= ). >> >> You can enable Portability for $25/month on your account page ( >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://starlink.com/account__;!!P7nkOOY!sj8= OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS0Q= $ ). 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> In a week or two I'm going to take my dish = out and drive around for a few hours

Roaming in motion works -- see the updates at the end= of this post: 
https://circleid.com/posts/20220225-spacex-is-testing-starlink-= roaming
But it's not yet officially supported.=

Elon Musk says it's working in Ukraine.

Stationary roaming, portability, is now officially o= ffered at extra cost and with some constraints:
https://support.starl= ink.com/?topic=3D1426e78a-7384-0334-3fc0-ddf5a76d7afe

Larry

From: Starlink <starlink= -bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of David Lang <david@lang.h= m>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2022 2:21 AM
To: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz>
Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd)
 
remember that starlink is getting c= overage from many satellites as they come
over, it's not like geostationary satellites that can aim specific antennas= at
specific locations (i.e. 'spotbeams' are not a thing)


(just received the inverter I ordered, now to convert the plugs...)

I expect the waitlist is a combination of two things.

1. the number of subscribers already in the area
2. supply availability (I expect this is why Ukraine is a waitlist, they ha= ve
supplied dishes to the government, but if you try to order one yourself, yo= u
would have to wait)

David Lang

On Thu, 5 May 2022, Ulrich Speidel wrote:

> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 19:40:01 +1200
> From: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz>
> To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Portability Now Available (fwd)
>
> Cool. Very interesting! That's one pile of information all of a sudden= . They
> could do that more often IMHO.
>
> Nothing like official confirmation that the tropics are an almost
> Starlink-free zone, and that places reasonably away from the 53rd para= llels
> are secondary service zones. They forgot their 50-odd terminals in Ton= ga (I
> heard yesterday about someone in the northern islands who brought a di= shy
> from overseas and found it didn't work... obviously believed the headl= ines...
> sigh).
>
> Also interesting that there seems to be, finally, some sort of disclos= ure on
> cell size. Someone will need to explain to me why there are waitlist a= reas in
> the Auckland area surrounded by full service. The areas concerned are = rural,
> which you'd think they'd want to service with priority over our
> well-connected CBD... Too many subscribers there already, or not enoug= h to
> warrant a spot beam? Similar soft spots near Sydney, holes in Foveaux = Strait,
> the Hauraki Gulf, southeast of Murray Bridge in South Australia, south= ern
> Chile, ... What do I read into this? Two-fold: Where it's near 53 degr= ees,
> they're probably oversubscribed or lack terminal supply, or both. Wher= e it's
> well away from 53 degrees, I'd guess they probably just lack satellite=
> capacity full stop.
>
> Ukraine is waitlisted...? But wait - didn't Starlink just take over th= e
> Internet there? Interesting also that one of the waitlist / no service= areas
> in Germany is right where they had the floods & where Starlink got= deployed
> very publicly with (I understand) some success. Did the locals hang on= to the
> emergency dishys and does this now saturate the network there? And wha= t did
> the Greeks do to be all waitlisted?
>
> So what happens if you roam from a place with availability into a plac= e with
> "waitlist" status? Anyone with a dishy up for a road trip wi= th a story to
> tell?
>
> $25/month sounds steep but is probably modest in comparison to the roa= ming
> charges that some cellular providers charge.
>
> On 5/05/2022 7:00 pm, David Lang wrote:
>> received this Wednesday evening.
>> Makes sense,
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Portability Now Available
>>
>> Starlink is excited to announce Portability as an add-on feature f= or all
>> Starlink customers. Portability enables customers to temporarily m= ove their
>> Starlink to new locations and receive high-speed internet anywhere= where
>> Starlink provides active coverage within the same continent. To se= e active
>> coverage areas, please view the Starlink Availability Map (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/map__;!!P7nkOOY!sj8OeR4= -Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvvwT-EHPQ$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/map__;!!P7n= kOOY!sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtv= vwT-EHPQ$ > ).
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>> You can enable Portability for $25/month on your account page ( >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://starlink.com/account__;!!P7nkOOY!sj8OeR= 4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvus-BPS0Q$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://starlink.com/account__;!!P= 7nkOOY!sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KW= tvus-BPS0Q$ > ). Once
>> enabled, Portability will take effect immediately, and you can dis= able
>> Portability from your account page at any time.
>>
>> To learn more about Starlink Portability, please read our FAQ page= (
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/faq__;!!P7nkOOY!sj8OeR4= -Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtvsNiQtW4A$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.starlink.com/faq__;!!P7n= kOOY!sj8OeR4-Jc81zUlPLyHWjevs2T7WuFV5ewjaeOYg3m3H3_muO_XNGIDy3-WKuyifj4KWtv= sNiQtW4A$ > ).
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