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From: Hayden Simon <h@uber.nz>
To: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz>,
	"starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [Starlink] Re: Starlink and Iran
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 21:09:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <TYZPR03MB6621F8FE7504D86EBE98D013A88CA@TYZPR03MB6621.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2f37d59d-42f2-4735-a915-50f2b2daf6c0@auckland.ac.nz>

Sorry, I was envisaging being above the terminals - above the leo birds (so, in orbit realistically) and then blasting the target area - wide band, high power, just noise, effectively drowning out the starlink birds from the dishy perspective.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrich Speidel <u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz> 
Sent: Friday, 16 January 2026 10:07 am
To: Hayden Simon <h@uber.nz>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] Re: Starlink and Iran

On 16/01/2026 9:30 am, Hayden Simon wrote:
> That leaves the most likely alternative as the action occuring from reasonable altitude. Be that in orbit, weather balloon(s)....drones.
>
Not really. Think of a Starlink satellite's beam as a laser pointer pointing at Dishys on the ground that look at the satellite with a good old fashioned telescope (which is what the phased array effectively does). And vice versa (laser pointer at the Dishy, telescope at the satellite). To disrupt that signal, you have to get yourself in front of the telescope with your laser pointer so your interfering signal can even be seen. Getting in front of the telescopes on the ground is mission impossible because there are a few 10000 of them. Moreover, they suddenly switch direction to point at another satellite typically every
15 to 75 s (which shorter intervals dominating).

Getting in front of the telescopes on the satellites is somewhat easier as there are fewer of them and - with a drone - you'd be further away and they'd already be pointing in your general direction if you're close to the Dishy you're trying to interfere with. But even so, you'd need one laser pointer per visible and usable satellite - in each cell you're wanting to take Starlink out on. Moreover, you wouldn't know whether the satellite is currently receiving from that cell on a red, blue, or green light frequency - so you'd have to pump power into all of them. Not trivial.

GPS interference is much easier.

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-15 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <176849731431.1249.14387618908540773471@gauss>
2026-01-15 17:42 ` [Starlink] Re: Starlink and Iran Colin_Higbie
2026-01-15 18:56   ` Jim Forster
2026-01-15 20:15     ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 20:27   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 20:30     ` Hayden Simon
2026-01-15 21:06       ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:09         ` Hayden Simon [this message]
2026-01-15 21:20           ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:23             ` Hayden Simon
     [not found] <176851123059.1249.8585659892308012167@gauss>
2026-01-15 21:49 ` Colin_Higbie
2026-01-15 23:15   ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-01-16  0:13   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-16  1:29     ` David Lang
2026-01-16 22:55       ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-01-16 23:06         ` J Pan
     [not found]     ` <13187.1768590201@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
2026-01-16 23:30       ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-17  0:07         ` David Lang
2026-01-17 21:56           ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-19 20:39             ` David Lang
2026-01-28  3:09               ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28  3:30                 ` David Lang
2026-01-28  4:02                   ` Mike Puchol
2026-01-28  9:05                     ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28  9:53                       ` David Lang
2026-01-28 20:43                         ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-28 20:55                           ` David Lang
2026-01-17 18:32         ` Michael Richardson
2026-01-17 18:38           ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-17 19:25             ` Michael Richardson
2026-01-17 22:12           ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 14:50 David Fernández
2026-01-15 16:11 ` Oleg Kutkov
2026-01-15 17:13   ` J Pan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2026-01-15  9:51 [Starlink] " Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:06 ` [Starlink] " Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 10:30   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:44     ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 11:16       ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 10:32 ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 10:51   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 11:17 ` David Lang
2026-01-15 11:59   ` Sauli Kiviranta
2026-01-15 14:08     ` David Lang
2026-01-15 15:29       ` Sauli Kiviranta
     [not found]   ` <3af2ac06-e098-4c79-869d-9c389959ca07@gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <q9304244-661o-3qsr-o6rp-9q1nqq09r419@ynat.uz>
     [not found]       ` <4ba64a41-bbbf-4fb5-adb0-c77c15e4ca0f@gmail.com>
2026-01-15 16:20         ` Inemesit Affia
2026-01-15 20:12   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 17:10 ` J Pan
2026-01-15 20:07   ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-15 21:47     ` Oleg Kutkov
2026-01-16  4:18       ` Ulrich Speidel
2026-01-16  8:12         ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-01-16  8:24           ` Inemesit Affia

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