From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper1-relay.space.net (gatekeeper1-relay.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:3:85::38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BED4C3B2A4 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 03:33:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=space.net; i=@space.net; q=dns/txt; s=esa; t=1695886384; x=1727422384; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=kYArzeHZ/ulWosHIFH5UPY1D2/LezbDZoc4f+g/lD9E=; b=Y4YS2ytLNyz/KzRy1WR889GTsVD0SRJvDNvyJccKRC7vI9OJ5z+f34n4 lqxdRuC0LnAMSQSQ/Tda4ktp30/4puXCFLeNFi/E9/fus/bR4GLtEBwwW ctvB32j3eI/YiKyVcI+hnUBWTYRQ7ICu1vhNQHf74LD+tht8wP9Ysc5iR wMZpManbVmH5NYanhRvLXYCiCFrswP9+XpUUIFOqRjmmNAqXnYWu5WXLw irOKYhhtCjYx57dN8Rz9WLGDpvnbNMB4/+mkTuy2g4POM5yYUjleoes9j REUcEPvqAYBKCaXwxg+stEZgHEGjltHJWo/8yf9udYADo20fSFyta4ogI A==; X-SpaceNet-SBRS: None Received: from mobil.space.net ([195.30.115.67]) by gatekeeper1-relay.space.net with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Sep 2023 09:33:02 +0200 Received: from mobil.space.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE90542463 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:33:01 +0200 (CEST) X-SpaceNet-Relay: true Received: from moebius4.space.net (moebius4.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:2::251]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D586405EB; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:33:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by moebius4.space.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 8A64CFDE2; Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:33:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:33:01 +0200 From: Gert Doering To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Gert Doering , Dave =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=E4ht?= , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , Jamal Hadi Salim , bloat Message-ID: References: <406472BC-B50D-48C6-B20E-4394EB198B6D@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m7f90CL7XsnKepec" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <406472BC-B50D-48C6-B20E-4394EB198B6D@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:33:04 -0000 --m7f90CL7XsnKepec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 09:14:27AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > [SM] Has Vodafone started using IPv6 for their DSL-users yet*? About the= content that is an interesting question, I will try to measure in my home = network what IPv4/IPv6 traffic ration I actually see. Many high-volume sides do offer IPv6, since years (all google infra, youtube, facebook, etc.) - so depending on the type of end-users, you can see well over 50% IPv6 traffic. Think "student dormitories" and "youtube" ;-) But this really depends on the nature of your traffic, as many "news outlet" types are still missing (stern.de, spiegel.de, bild.de, ...) (and those would be prone to SEO coaxing ;-) ). What irks me quite a bit is that there's still many content offerings that use CDNs (Akamai, Cloudflare, etc.) who can do IPv6 perfectly fine, you just have to check the "[X] yes, IPv6!" checkbox... so we have, www.ard.de who are behind Akamai, but have no v6... > [Vodafone DSL] > *) According to https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/203020/umf= rage/anzahl-der-dsl-kunden-von-vodafone-in-deutschland/ Vodafone Germany ha= d around 2.5 Million DSL customers end on 2022 this is not a lot (there are= roughly 40 Million access links in Germany) but it is also not "nothing". I wasn't aware that Vodafone DSL is lacking in that regards - as they have IPv6 on their cable and mobile offerings (arguably "different networks,=20 before VF bought them and put the VF label on top"). But you're right, there is work to do. Thanks for the insight. Gert Doering -- NetMaster --=20 have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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