From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper1-relay.space.net (gatekeeper1-relay.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:3:85::38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AEC33CB38 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 02:31:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=space.net; i=@space.net; q=dns/txt; s=esa; t=1695969077; x=1727505077; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=v9G9SCrj8WqeILJgXPXW0xr5ZQFLPVF1BPlHmHNeZbQ=; b=NmXJrM6ODiBiPXhEa5dQjNV8uTT69d1SrbwGh2w6nmAWcFsmRcO8tnH2 2Ze6L+h6Fz2a00djWYXWS5nz895N9/xIt+Q/Xq7EPn3fPNgVWCnAkSW6z 6ci3QvO1nyjwuKorS3kzT3LGTqXHos4OPRw7ZZtXIaiXAqUwi8VJyzAPh L1S8E7YJ8KgfwoFi8UJyyg/JX5+S+PLsxd1/vS8tzEOPkjdngKW1eh1ac 1iz2zAwFPksiT2tBttto8pFW2oGczl2S0/ddutY19TEUKUYi1056pEHz8 Vm5wwN4FpolEWE1IxDEfQHyvxRB+BfluB1zmbgQeZY3z/8C7tvI9IetlE A==; X-SpaceNet-SBRS: None Received: from mobil.space.net ([195.30.115.67]) by gatekeeper1-relay.space.net with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Sep 2023 08:31:13 +0200 Received: from mobil.space.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A1642463 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:31:13 +0200 (CEST) X-SpaceNet-Relay: true Received: from moebius4.space.net (moebius4.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:2::251]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EFE41FDF; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by moebius4.space.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 90B6B19AFD; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:31:12 +0200 From: Gert Doering To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: David Lang , Rpm , dan , Jamal Hadi Salim , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat Message-ID: References: <5so3r00n-31pn-14s7-7775-08731s3s551r@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 06:31:16 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 08:24:13AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote: > [SM] In the EU we have this as a continuous lobbying effort by big incumbent ISPs (a move to have the large content providers (CAPs) shoulder their "fair" share of the cost of modernizing the networks*), why this flys with at least some EU politicians is that the intended payees of this scheme are all located outside the EU and hence will have little support by the EU citizenry... (The latter is IMHO not fully undeserved either, the days of "do no evil" are long behind us and big tech often forgets that we are all in this together, but I digress). In the EU one of these days such an effort might actually succeed, as much as I dislike this. And then the local incumbent uses that line of argument to arm-twist all the smaller ISPs to pay them for traffic into their network... (and calling up fees well above normal market rates for "transit"). Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279