From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper2-relay.space.net (gatekeeper2-relay.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:85::168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 028823CB39 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:24:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=space.net; i=@space.net; q=dns/txt; s=esa; t=1702646656; x=1734182656; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=zPj0U0WQSt09/oC8cNKAPuPjWsI/ceaSptrhCWZy1/4=; b=dVoFiMWPEylL2Kn4DAf3XvId6rGFuOzIkxknQhVrWWb+bHHc+Y6Hc80Z jZiZS4y357NxgqmvrY3X3hh7I0oZ4inZRFJBZwOdsKt0T9iG1NrgpTHFP t85ftOBV3LKtkDxQL7I7ScP1fhdjbXAjeV/Ded4A3dFC+sAnmoQoOCrtV tiqX9ZbzDMkmwmdmuS3sWrMosBIEtg0QhRsoRWRD/ShQshG/ds8mKr24z bhBUvibRezcNnPvZJJ9NxdkpTR076tnGKIUG+5jISwU15MkdcFmkuh7pL PMu6bMJoB9rzbSzVdtYimYMXuZRSBo1JzDZNdzwpNFbXER44NSNaXyv6z w==; X-CSE-ConnectionGUID: FddfCTliQkqnqwx9ivB7aQ== X-CSE-MsgGUID: tPlGgDZ5TxyK+yneGFpsjQ== X-SpaceNet-SBRS: None Received: from mobil.space.net ([195.30.115.67]) by gatekeeper2-relay.space.net with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 15 Dec 2023 14:24:13 +0100 Received: from mobil.space.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13154271A for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) X-SpaceNet-Relay: true Received: from moebius4.space.net (moebius4.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:2::251]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3B1420F9; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by moebius4.space.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id A65C7B276; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 From: Gert Doering To: Frantisek Borsik Cc: Alexandre Petrescu , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Network Neutrality is back! =?iso-8859-1?Q?Let=B4?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s?= make the technical aspects heard this time! Message-ID: References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:24:15 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:46:06PM +0100, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote: > The same is true for missing/loosing support for FWA in the grand/funding > schemes: all the arguments thrown around by fiber cheerleaders are based > on bandwidth (at best) or "speed" (in most cases) or some theorethical > future-proofness (I mean, we don't know what will happen in next hour, > little less we know what will happen in next 10 years). One important argument comparing fiber to DSL is power usage per port. (I have no numbers for fiber vs. wireless ISP so I can't comment on that) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279