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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Dave Taht <davet@teklibre.net>
Cc: Nathan Owens <nathan@nathan.io>, starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] dynamically adjusting cake to starlink
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 12:20:02 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.2106091137570.13354@uplift.swm.pp.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AB233C27-07F0-4D2C-A433-4E6C0D64299A@teklibre.net>

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2021, Dave Taht wrote:

> … and a meeting with some starlink execs at 11AM today.

Nice!

The solution space you're working on ("one device knows its next-hop speed 
and adjacent device needs to know this") is applicable to for instance 
cable, DSL, PON, wifi etc.

I seem to remember there has been work in BBF to have the BNG know the 
sync-up speed of DSL in order to do proper buffering, what you need to do 
is to come from "the other end".

Would be nice if there was a generic mechanism for this but since several 
of these devices use L2 I think it'd have to be something LLDP like (also 
on L2).

Dave, how often does information regarding rate/scheduler need to be 
distributed from the scheduling node to the node that is trying to not use 
the upstream buffer? I presume this is in the 0.1 to 1s range, because the 
scheduler might change quite frequently and substantially?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-09 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-06  3:31 [Starlink] pretty cool starlink visualizer Darrell Budic
2021-06-06  4:26 ` David Lang
2021-06-08 21:54 ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09  9:12   ` [Starlink] dynamically adjusting cake to starlink Dave Taht
2021-06-09 10:20     ` Mikael Abrahamsson [this message]
2021-06-09 16:39       ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-09 18:10         ` David Lang
2021-06-09 12:09     ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 12:16     ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 13:21       ` Dave Taht
2021-06-09 14:12       ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-09 15:23         ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 21:18           ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-09 21:36             ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 23:37               ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-09 15:32       ` Nathan Owens
2021-06-09 15:46         ` David Lang

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