[Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP)

[Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30982654

https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/4728289-needing-clarification-on-eero-models-for-fttc-and-fttp.html


https://lwn.net/Articles/873848/


Here are some links to clarify/muddy the water as appropriate. Like I said earlier, I don't know the current reality, but there are people who know it's a thing at Amazon


Dec 9, 2025 9:21:15 AM Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com>:

> I don't know anything non public, I got the information by following Dave Täht's work online.
> 
> Dec 9, 2025 9:13:32 AM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>:
> 
>> Yeah, eero has (or had?!) a great CAKE implementation. So now they got rid of it? WTH
>> 
>> Can you share more about it? Even if only privately…
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Frank
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025 at 9:11 AM, Inemesit Affia <inemesitaffia@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Amazon also makes residential routers in the EERO brand. I heard they had then removed their AQM (in a new product).
>> 
>> Don't know the current state.
>> 
>> But there's institutional knowledge.
>> 
>> Dec 9, 2025 8:48:53 AM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>:
>> 
>> I can't imagine a situation in which Amazon Leo - without using CAKE or
>> FQ-CoDel - would get good results, as Starlink didn't without FQ-CoDel
>> Hope that they will talk to us, and get help. Sadly, there is no Dave Taht
>> here anymore, to chase them for the good of their users :(
>> 
>> Improvements to CAKE are happening; MQ-CAKE (from Toke), some other good
>> options are raising, algorithms like FQ-PIE and PURPE CAKE, improvements
>> like xTCP2, XDP2: I will be talking about it at
>> https://understandinglatency.com - register, if you didn't, yet.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>> 
>> 
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>> 
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>> 
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>> 
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
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>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2025 at 2:26 AM David Collier-Brown via Starlink <
>> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Michael Richardson wrote:
>> 
>> …
>> 
>> On 12/8/25 15:57, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
>> …
>> 
>> MS is really /really/ bad at handling anything bigger/more-laggy than
>> the original token-ring and ethernet LANs. In the case of SMB, people
>> built local caching/middleware boxes using Samba to get the RTT down.
>> 
>> They're the first folks who taught me that it's latency, not bandwidth.
>> 
>> --dave
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Collier-Brown,         | Always do right. This will gratify
>> System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest
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