From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp118.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp118.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 305523B2A4 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2022 08:29:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=evslin.com; s=20220608-p431o605; t=1662121760; bh=ST+5bl7olGJI5jIPP9uVKX6CBU9SfBbcqFnklq6pcgg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=hG/yO3mf+XeSkvIgesLRGcUfjAXAjI/bP3pogBH+BcjzxQzm/R6D2CrmH+j3xeRcT uQ22hD9bNBKOpPWvMYlaPMlF/Q3+uh7XaMNCVfi7FZ34X1p7glJqGofWlTljCI5xDz OT5tbDQuiaJDGrJMKbQO/r3DKVbXizEFFoIlUu6Q= X-Auth-ID: tom@evslin.com Received: by smtp39.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: tom-AT-evslin.com) with ESMTPSA id 6B8C5428A; Fri, 2 Sep 2022 08:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "'Sebastian Moeller'" Cc: "'Michael Richardson'" , "'Ulrich Speidel'" , References: <1661878433.14064713@apps.rackspace.com> <6p5n9262-3745-pq31-5636-1rnon987o255@ynat.uz> <20220830220710.GA2653@sunf10.rd.bbc.co.uk> <15982a40-2b34-7ed1-bfa3-bced03fc3839@auckland.ac.nz> <9CE05D69-FC37-4C97-9D8D-D46B2DF6DE16@gmx.de> <2321be3b-957f-2d1f-c335-119c8e76efe5@auckland.ac.nz> <8978587-42op-q175-2o41-qq9p4491459s@ynat.uz> <56e56b0f-07bd-fe0c-9434-2663ae9d4404@auckland.ac.nz> <63B8B233-DF84-4D60-884F-8A83B3ED7607@gmx.de> <15408.1662062057@localhost> <778e01d8be47$061c67f0$125537d0$@evslin.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 08:29:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIPRsMrjCLeIUrVvf24O402fV6ZjgFbka6sAgkRiRgCL1qAJAHrApp1AfCjI2cA4yqH9AGHa2ahAdOv9mYB2d64CAFE/QxeALG7RoMBydMTiAIRD/ogrLQ2MuA= Content-Language: en-us X-Classification-ID: f2486347-b9e6-4a17-821a-90a68367db8b-1-1 Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 12:29:21 -0000 Was beyond my competence. But, as a student of innovation, I'd guess that lack of gravity is a hindrance to the customary way of etching; but, once the usual way is ruled out, lack of gravity may become a constraint removed. -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Moeller Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 3:52 AM To: tom@evslin.com Cc: Michael Richardson ; Ulrich Speidel ; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" Hi Tom, I wonder how etching would work with no gravity... Regards Sebastian > On Sep 1, 2022, at 23:08, Tom Evslin via Starlink wrote: > > I think manufacturing orbital datacenters in space is absolutely necessary. Then, at no point, is a heavy set of frames needed to hold the weight of the boards. Producing the chips in a real vacuum no gravity environment may also allow radically different design > > -----Original Message----- > From: Starlink On Behalf Of Michael Richardson via Starlink > Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 3:54 PM > To: Ulrich Speidel ; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "beam spread" > > > Is there any orbit other than GEO that would make CDNs in space useful? > > While current Starlink don't have lasers that could reach up to higher orbits, maybe a subsequent generation could have such a thing. Maybe there could even be a standard which OneWeb/StarLink/??? could all agree to, and CDN satellites (with bigger solar panels and longer service lifetimes) could be built to. > > Having said all of this, it sure seems that the better place today for CDNs > is within satellite serviced villages. Some may even remember the Internet > Cache Protocol (ICP), which never really got anywhere (RFC2186). > > There are perhaps energy arguments for moving datacenters to space, but stuff just isn't reliable enough, and I'm sure it's a fail until you manufacture in space. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink