From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A1F13B29D for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 08:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e-emp-b0.extra.cea.fr (e-emp-b0.extra.cea.fr [132.167.198.36]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 454CWAHj064813 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 14:32:10 +0200 Received: from pps.filterd (e-emp-b0.extra.cea.fr [127.0.0.1]) by e-emp-b0.extra.cea.fr (8.18.1.2/8.18.1.2) with ESMTP id 4548THgj009902 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 14:32:09 +0200 Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by e-emp-b0.extra.cea.fr (PPS) with ESMTP id 3yggacau62-1 for ; Tue, 04 Jun 2024 14:32:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.8.32.70] (is156570.intra.cea.fr [10.8.32.70]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 454CW9Zg005385 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2024 14:32:09 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------rCKkdVwJpigEBXeJjSrijdvo" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 14:32:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: Content-Language: fr From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: JML1_66_Tbeuw2xUd4vV2LpZwx9yX6SX X-Proofpoint-GUID: JML1_66_Tbeuw2xUd4vV2LpZwx9yX6SX Subject: Re: [Starlink] SpaceX/Starlink says it's ready for a fall satellite-to-cell service with T-Mobile X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 12:32:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------rCKkdVwJpigEBXeJjSrijdvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 03/06/2024 à 20:17, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Starlink a écrit : > it will be Most Interesting to see if/how this 43 page > @omnispace presentation to the @FCC of the observed interference from > the @Starlink D2D testing will affect those intended launch plans or not > ➔➔https://x.com/no_privacy/status/1792589907115876525 Fair enough.  Interesting to see. The interference aspect might come not only from omnispace vs spacex, but there are other sats up there using ground cell frequencies.  I heard last September about vodafone and bluewalker using also unmodified smartphones, i.e. ground cell frequencies.  Further, I also heard about recent russian 5G NTN satellite put up there in the orbit.  I would not be surprised to hear that China, or other country, also has 5G sats up there just to listen, just in case.  Not to mention these direct bluetooth ground-to-sat experiments. Interference might be intentional or unintentional. It will be advantageous to see how this Direct-to-Cell (or to smartphone, or to device) feature can be used in some useful manner, such as crime scene resolution where there is no ground 'tower' but some sat was there and heard that this or that smartphone was connected or not. Alex > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:09 AM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink > wrote: > > * SpaceX & T-Mobile intend to launch direct-to-device (D2D) > satellite servicethis fall > * An analyst told us that will give them an 18- to 24-month lead > over some rivals > * AT&T & Verizon are still backing AST SpaceMobile as an alternative > > > https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/space-x-says-its-ready-fall-direct-satellite-cell-service-t-mobile > > > > -- > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com > living as The Truth is True > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --------------rCKkdVwJpigEBXeJjSrijdvo Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Le 03/06/2024 à 20:17, the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Starlink a écrit :
it will be Most Interesting to see if/how this 43 page @omnispace presentation to the @FCC of the observed interference from the @Starlink D2D testing will affect those intended launch plans or not
➔➔https://x.com/no_privacy/status/1792589907115876525

Fair enough.  Interesting to see.

The interference aspect might come not only from omnispace vs spacex, but there are other sats up there using ground cell frequencies.  I heard last September about vodafone and bluewalker using also unmodified smartphones, i.e. ground cell frequencies.  Further, I also heard about recent russian 5G NTN satellite put up there in the orbit.  I would not be surprised to hear that China, or other country, also has 5G sats up there just to listen, just in case.  Not to mention these direct bluetooth ground-to-sat experiments.

Interference might be intentional or unintentional.

It will be advantageous to see how this Direct-to-Cell (or to smartphone, or to device) feature can be used in some useful manner, such as crime scene resolution where there is no ground 'tower' but some sat was there and heard that this or that smartphone was connected or not.

Alex


On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:09 AM Frantisek Borsik via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
  • SpaceX & T-Mobile intend to launch direct-to-device (D2D) satellite servicethis fall
  • An analyst told us that will give them an 18- to 24-month lead over some rivals
  • AT&T & Verizon are still backing AST SpaceMobile as an alternative

https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/space-x-says-its-ready-fall-direct-satellite-cell-service-t-mobile


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