From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6228F3B29D for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 02:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [154.159.252.124]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E80E38C0491; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 07:15:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1645946120; bh=iT0HEogw7VLrABqBmadUzTV+tr1MyTj+EHSj/KLBWtE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=V6WaZ5vbgCKv3b64wC6kNDvT/x3JdAF+AMZWNWwZ9GgmpCK+cOI5TaD3CceDQHiOr pUevdK92TfZA9Bs88JsEThoV7Z9MPhg0HSIAu5zUx04Z2HHPeL2/am1SwiFa72gS9a L5tFttWjzG4PUatRcqEfN0BKqvqhd458qWdIIK5ycVkgAQ+miinvoNwE5Kdb7YyCaM xeIHd6n39VgR268HH9R/f2aL+DOv5nUkUZCLi27DvM86dMpzppz6Qil3TiyxcBxddl 321GkkMOjK9sCJfADrr3S9ds6QWtJUCCg/P+BSKO/fekt2YgDJluB1Fm0r61SmPAr2 foJ5u5qvYA58w== Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:15:02 +0300 From: Mike Puchol To: Ulrich Speidel , Doc Searls Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net?=" , "=?utf-8?Q?u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz?=" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <9a206057-00b3-da6b-1adf-607a7af025a9@cs.auckland.ac.nz> <2d0ad1db-b6bf-b8c0-79dc-51643abbcc76@auckland.ac.nz> <601e0ed6-779e-e032-3800-ad2cfc7c8867@cs.auckland.ac.nz> X-Readdle-Message-ID: cdc83992-a777-43d4-be62-95f2bc922767@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="621b24fb_7c83e458_1575" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starling and Ukraine (forked from Tonga) X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 07:15:21 -0000 --621b24fb_7c83e458_1575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In addition, AS50494 has started announcing two prefixes, I have only sta= rted looking into them, but a traceroute ends in Ukraine, and host return= s e.g. gw.starlink.ua. =46rom my simulation, the current known gateways can provide very good se= rvice to all of Ukraine. Best, Mike On =46eb 27, 2022, 03:14 +0300, Doc Searls , wrote: > Item:=C2=A0https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/14977123659236188= 16 > > > quote=5Ftype > > Elon Musk's Starlink satellite system providing internet access is no= w active in Ukraine. > > > > Satellite terminals are on the way to Ukraine. This could be useful i= f Russia=E2=80=99s attacks destabilize Ukraine=E2=80=99s internet. > > Also,=C2=A0https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/starlink-ser= vice-ukraine-elon-musk-b2024184.html > > Doc > > > On =46eb 25, 2022, at 10:02 PM, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > > I like that mental model, too, although the way Internet development = has historically played out in the Pacific has been quite diverse in comp= arison. > > Some place, e.g., Niue, did initially exactly that - the local geek g= uru got it going and things went from there. Other places were worried th= at their monopoly telco might get competition, and kept a lid on it for r= easons political or simply because they genuinely felt that their island = was too small not to pool resources in a single provider. Some islands do= n't have geek gurus. Tonga is a case in point here - the smaller islands = that didn't have cable so far are, with the exception of 'Eua, very small= in terms of population, a few hundred people at most, many only have a f= ew dozen. > > On many of these smaller islands, the only businesses are small stall= -like shops that will sell bread from the local baker and necessities suc= h as tooth paste, soap, batteries and that sort of thing, plus peanuts an= d other imported snacks. Whatever the supply ship brings when it comes, w= hich could be once every few months in some cases. Most people live off t= he land, go fishing or collect shellfish on the reef, and in some cases w= ill produce crafts like pandanus mats or tapa cloth, some of which is sen= t overseas and can generate a bit of income. There are a lot of old peopl= e in comparison to younger folk, who have often left for a life overseas = to support those back home. Post offices, coffee shops and libraries exis= t only on the larger islands. The smaller islands will always have more c= hurches than you can count, and sadly some of these still see the Interne= t as something to be kept out at all cost - something that's by no means = unique to Tonga. > > On 26/02/2022 2:27 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > > > My mental model for starlink was very different than what has deplo= yed > > > so far. A local geek guru would get one for the local library/coffe= e > > > shop/post office, set up local wifi and computers cybercafe style, = set > > > up a few other p2p wireless links, perhaps a lte node, etc, and > > > enhance village to village (or island to island) communications via= a > > > starlink node X miles away, as well as provide/integrate with more > > > local services such as local email, videoconferencing and telephony= > > > without having to traverse the sat at all. > > > > > > As things built out, fiber or other forms of connectivity would > > > emerge, eventually connecting via land or high speed p2p fixed > > > wireless links, and starlink reverting to more of a backup. Existin= g > > > ISPs (notably wisps), would build out excessively remote areas this= > > > way. > > > > > > This =22vision=22 is highly influenced by efforts such as the villa= getelco > > > and olpc. To some extent the new =22premium=22 service could go tha= t way, > > > but classic business networking services like BGP, working ipv6, re= al > > > ipv4 addresses, etc, are so far, lacking. BYOIP and dual homing for= > > > existing providers has not been spoken of... > > > > > > But anyway, I hope the government of tonga uses what they got wisel= y, > > > though my primary use case would be for multiplexing low bitrate ap= ps > > > for a lot of people (like voip and financial transactions), over th= e > > > web for a few. > > > > > > On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 8:12 PM Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone from =46INTEL mentioned this during my seminar on Thursda= y, apparently they started operations on the 16th and launched officially= on the 23rd. > > > > > > > > That said, if you try to order Starlink for an address in, say, N= eiafu on Vava'u, which has 15k people on it and lost its domestic cable c= onnection, you'll be able to pay a US=2499 deposit to reserve Starlink fo= r ... 2023. > > > > > > > > The 50 or so Dishys they have delivered will remain under governm= ent control and will probably go all over the place, as there are many sm= aller island that have no connectivity at all right now. So I doubt that = we'll see end user reviews any time soon. I may be able to get some infor= mal feedback in a while. > > > > > > > > One of the local satellite(-agnostic) ISPs did a review of Starli= nk service in Auckland, at 37 degrees south: > > > > > > > > https://getgravity.nz/blog/starlink-review-new-zealand-test-resul= ts-2022/ > > > > > > > > Now that's with a gateway in cycling distance (Clevedon) and two = more within less than 200 km, in a region that is probably not too overlo= aded with users right. They still see frequent outages, and I guess it wo= uld be worse in Tonga for the time being. > > > > > > > > But I guess if it's the alternative to zero connectivity, it's wo= rth having, so kudos to them for pushing the envelope here. > > > > > > > > On 26/02/2022 7:19 am, Nathan Owens wrote: > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1497258566347943936 > > > > > > > > On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 9:15 AM Nathan Owens wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just minutes ago, they have= launched service in Tonga. > > > >> > > > >> On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 9:12 AM Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. But= I haven't heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have. > > > >>> > > > >>> I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffee t= able if nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature for a b= it longer, but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest that they'= ll be able to deliver at least some service some percentage of the time, = which is more than some of the smaller places have right now. And I don't= really want to dump on them - at least they tried, as did with varying l= evels of success almost everybody else in the satellite business, and tha= t's really all you can ask for. > > > >>> > > > >>> Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, wha= tever they have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity to w= itness this when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the islan= d villages we stayed on in the Ha'apai group had piped water to the beach= front properties installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. Then t= he Australians brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench digger to = put the cable in along the main drag, unaware that there were water pipes= in the ground. The locals were too grateful for the electricity to compl= ain that they now needed to walk to the cistern to get their water, and t= he problem remained unsolved a year later - we had to wash from big barre= ls and a bit of rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a hair-r= aising boat passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a flight = booked, so went to the Ha'apai office of the long since defunct Royal Ton= gan Airlines to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two ladies in = the office gave us their most welcoming smiles, along with the regret tha= t they couldn't book us a ticket as the computer were down. We asked how = long such outages typically lasted and were told that they didn't know bu= t this one had lasted three months already. We then made our way to the a= irport with the help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were the only= people there until the station manager turned up. He reckoned there woul= d be seats and told us that he was the local baker as well and had been t= rying out artisan bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was finding = it difficult to get the right flour. Nice chat=21 Eventually the plane ar= rived early without any passengers. Pilots and station manager spent ten = seconds bitching about their employer (rightfully so, a long story I shan= 't repeat - but neither the employees' nor the management's fault, though= ), then the pilots decided that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and off we to= ok 15 minutes ahead of schedule... > > > >>> > > > >>> On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov =40mobile wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are no= t operational yet=3F > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers > > > >>> Daniel > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On =46ebruary 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel wrote: > > > >>> >=46WIW... this restores connectivity to =7E80% of Tonga's popu= lation. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending on cab= le lead > > > >>> >time, apparently it's got to come from =46rance. In the interi= m, there's > > > >>> >work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a satellite = ISP in NZ > > > >>> >today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutelsat li= nks up. I > > > >>> >haven't heard any further about operational readiness of Starl= ink, but > > > >>> >have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys delive= red to > > > >>> >Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underconnect= ed places > > > >>> >if and when service becomes available. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for Tongata= pu just in > > > >>> >case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with the cabl= e, heaven > > > >>> >forbid. > > > >>> > > > > >>> >-- > > > >>> >**************************************************************= ** > > > >>> >Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > > >>> > > > > >>> >School of Computer Science > > > >>> > > > > >>> >Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > > >>> > > > > >>> >The University of Auckland > > > >>> >u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz > > > >>> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/=7Eulrich/ > > > >>> >**************************************************************= ** > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> >=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F > > > >>> >Starlink mailing list > > > >>> >Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > >>> >https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> ***************************************************************= * > > > >>> Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > > >>> > > > >>> School of Computer Science > > > >>> > > > >>> Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > > >>> > > > >>> The University of Auckland > > > >>> u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz > > > >>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/=7Eulrich/ > > > >>> ***************************************************************= * > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F > > > >>> Starlink mailing list > > > >>> Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > -- > > > > **************************************************************** > > > > Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > > > > > > > School of Computer Science > > > > > > > > Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > > > > > > > The University of Auckland > > > > u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz > > > > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/=7Eulrich/ > > > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > > > > Starlink mailing list > > > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > > > https://wayforward.archive.org/=3Fsite=3Dhttps%3A%2=46%2=46www.icei= .org > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > -- > > **************************************************************** > > Dr. Ulrich Speidel > > > > School of Computer Science > > > > Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > > > > The University of Auckland > > u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz > > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/=7Eulrich/ > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --621b24fb_7c83e458_1575 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
In addition, AS50494 has started announcing two pre= fixes, I have only started looking into them, but a traceroute ends in Uk= raine, and host returns e.g. gw.starlink.ua.

=46rom my simulation, the current known gateways can provide very good se= rvice to all of Ukraine.

Best,

Mike
On =46eb 27, 2022, 03:14 +0300, Doc= Searls <doc=40searls.com>, wrote:
Item:&=23160;https://twitter.com/KyivIndep= endent/status/1497712365923618816

Elon Musk's Starlink satellite system providing inter= net access is now active in Ukraine.

Satellite terminals are on the way to Ukraine. This c= ould be useful if Russia=E2=80=99s attacks destabilize Ukraine=E2=80=99s = internet.


Doc

On =46eb 25, 2022, at 10:02 PM, Ulrich Speidel <ulrich=40c= s.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:

I like that mental model, too, although the way Interne= t development has historically played out in the Pacific has been quite d= iverse in comparison.

Some place, e.g., Niue, did initially exactly that - th= e local geek guru got it going and things went from there. Other places w= ere worried that their monopoly telco might get competition, and kept a l= id on it for reasons political or simply because they genuinely felt that= their island was too small not to pool resources in a single provider. S= ome islands don't have geek gurus. Tonga is a case in point here - the sm= aller islands that didn't have cable so far are, with the exception of 'E= ua, very small in terms of population, a few hundred people at most, many= only have a few dozen.

On many of these smaller islands, the only businesses a= re small stall-like shops that will sell bread from the local baker and n= ecessities such as tooth paste, soap, batteries and that sort of thing, p= lus peanuts and other imported snacks. Whatever the supply ship brings wh= en it comes, which could be once every few months in some cases. Most peo= ple live off the land, go fishing or collect shellfish on the reef, and i= n some cases will produce crafts like pandanus mats or tapa cloth, some o= f which is sent overseas and can generate a bit of income. There are a lo= t of old people in comparison to younger folk, who have often left for a = life overseas to support those back home. Post offices, coffee shops and = libraries exist only on the larger islands. The smaller islands will alwa= ys have more churches than you can count, and sadly some of these still s= ee the Internet as something to be kept out at all cost - something that'= s by no means unique to Tonga.

On 26/02/2022 2:27 pm, Dave Taht wrote:
My mental mod= el for starlink was very different than what has deployed
so far. A local geek guru would get one for the local library/coffee
shop/post office, set up local wifi and computers cybercafe style, set up a few other p2p wireless links, perhaps a lte node, etc, and
enhance village to village (or island to island) communications via a
starlink node X miles away, as well as provide/integrate with more
local services such as local email, videoconferencing and telephony
without having to traverse the sat at all.

As things built out, fiber or other forms of connectivity would
emerge, eventually connecting via land or high speed p2p fixed
wireless links, and starlink reverting to more of a backup. Existing
ISPs (notably wisps), would build out excessively remote areas this
way.

This =22vision=22 is highly influenced by efforts such as the villagetelc= o
and olpc. To some extent the new =22premium=22 service could go that way,=
but classic business networking services like BGP, working ipv6, real
ipv4 addresses, etc, are so far, lacking. BYOIP and dual homing for
existing providers has not been spoken of...

But anyway, I hope the government of tonga uses what they got wisely,
though my primary use case would be for multiplexing low bitrate apps
for a lot of people (like voip and financial transactions), over the
web for a few.

On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 8:12 PM Ulrich Speidel <ulric= h=40cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Someone from =46INTEL mentioned this during my seminar on Thursday, = apparently they started operations on the 16th and launched officially on= the 23rd.
>
> That said, if you try to order Starlink for an address in, say, Neia= fu on Vava'u, which has 15k people on it and lost its domestic cable conn= ection, you'll be able to pay a US=2499 deposit to reserve Starlink for .= .. 2023.
>
> The 50 or so Dishys they have delivered will remain under government= control and will probably go all over the place, as there are many small= er island that have no connectivity at all right now. So I doubt that we'= ll see end user reviews any time soon. I may be able to get some informal= feedback in a while.
>
> One of the local satellite(-agnostic) ISPs did a review of Starlink = service in Auckland, at 37 degrees south:
>
> https://= getgravity.nz/blog/starlink-review-new-zealand-test-results-2022/
>
> Now that's with a gateway in cycling distance (Clevedon) and two mor= e within less than 200 km, in a region that is probably not too overloade= d with users right. They still see frequent outages, and I guess it would= be worse in Tonga for the time being.
>
> But I guess if it's the alternative to zero connectivity, it's worth= having, so kudos to them for pushing the envelope here.
>
> On 26/02/2022 7:19 am, Nathan Owens wrote:
>
> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/s= tatus/1497258566347943936
>
> On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 9:15 AM Nathan Owens <nathan=40n= athan.io> wrote:
>>
>> Per the Starlink 4-11 Launch webcast just minutes ago, they have= launched service in Tonga.
>>
>> On =46ri, =46eb 25, 2022 at 9:12 AM Ulrich Speidel &= lt;u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Matangitonga said that Starlink wanted to launch this week. = But I haven't heard confirmation from anyone that they actually have.
>>>
>>> I guess a dishy without a link might still make a nice coffe= e table if nothing else & might even keep your coffee at temperature = for a bit longer, but seriously: I suppose they must think in earnest tha= t they'll be able to deliver at least some service some percentage of the= time, which is more than some of the smaller places have right now. And = I don't really want to dump on them - at least they tried, as did with va= rying levels of success almost everybody else in the satellite business, = and that's really all you can ask for.
>>>
>>> Tongans are also an incredibly patient and grateful people, = whatever they have they make do with. I first had plenty of opportunity t= o witness this when we went there on our honeymoon in 2003. One of the is= land villages we stayed on in the Ha'apai group had piped water to the be= achfront properties installed yonks ago, before they got electricity. The= n the Australians brought electricity around 2002 & used a trench dig= ger to put the cable in along the main drag, unaware that there were wate= r pipes in the ground. The locals were too grateful for the electricity t= o complain that they now needed to walk to the cistern to get their water= , and the problem remained unsolved a year later - we had to wash from bi= g barrels and a bit of rainwater off the roof. As we left Ha'apai after a= hair-raising boat passage in a 4 m boat in 6 m swells, we didn't have a = flight booked, so went to the Ha'apai office of the long since defunct Ro= yal Tongan Airlines to book ourselves on the next flight out. The two lad= ies in the office gave us their most welcoming smiles, along with the reg= ret that they couldn't book us a ticket as the computer were down. We ask= ed how long such outages typically lasted and were told that they didn't = know but this one had lasted three months already. We then made our way t= o the airport with the help of a few bored Mormon missionaries. We were t= he only people there until the station manager turned up. He reckoned the= re would be seats and told us that he was the local baker as well and had= been trying out artisan bread recipes, which the locals liked, but was f= inding it difficult to get the right flour. Nice chat=21 Eventually the p= lane arrived early without any passengers. Pilots and station manager spe= nt ten seconds bitching about their employer (rightfully so, a long story= I shan't repeat - but neither the employees' nor the management's fault,= though), then the pilots decided that they wanted lunch in Vava'u and of= f we took 15 minutes ahead of schedule...
>>>
>>> On 22/02/2022 8:45 pm, Daniel AJ Sokolov =40mobile wrote: >>>
>>> So the Starlink terminals have arrived on Tongatapu, but are= not operational yet=3F
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> On =46ebruary 22, 2022 7:31:25 a.m. UTC, Ulrich Speidel <ulrich=40cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>>> >=46WIW... this restores connectivity to =7E80% of Tonga'= s population.
>>> >
>>> >The domestic cable may be up to 9 months off, depending = on cable lead
>>> >time, apparently it's got to come from =46rance. In the = interim, there's
>>> >work on more satellite connectivity, I heard from a sate= llite ISP in NZ
>>> >today that they were about to ship a few units for Eutel= sat links up. I
>>> >haven't heard any further about operational readiness of= Starlink, but
>>> >have heard from a well-connected source that the dishys = delivered to
>>> >Tonga will remain in Tongan government service in underc= onnected places
>>> >if and when service becomes available.
>>> >
>>> >I would expect them to hang onto a couple of units for T= ongatapu just in
>>> >case there'll be more turbidity currents messing with th= e cable, heaven
>>> >forbid.
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >********************************************************= ********
>>> >Dr. Ulrich Speidel
>>> >
>>> >School of Computer Science
>>> >
>>> >Room 303S.594 (City Campus)
>>> >
>>> >The University of Auckland
>>> >u.speidel=40auckland.ac.nz
>>> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/=7E= ulrich/
>>> >********************************************************= ********
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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