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Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 00:15:59 -0000 --------------r38im47pd7y1v1FEz1yYXkfM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 10/06/2024 11:50 am, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > > The second set of questions are that the newer, larger Starlink > satellites were designed, oh, 4 years ago? with about 4x the capacity > of the existing ones, and I imagine (and hope) that they have been > continually redesigned with an eye to latency now, as well as capacity. What do you actually mean by "capacity" here? We have actual numbers in terms of what SpaceX are licensed for for user downlink, and that works out to be: From a V1 or V1.5: * no more than 12 Gb/s into a single cell. * no more than 16 Gb/s across all user downlink beams. From a V2(mini): * no more than 20 Gb/s into a single cell on Ku. * no more than 48 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ku user downlink. * no more than 25.2 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ka user downlink into a single cell. * no more than 99.2 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ka user downlink. Note: * The current Dishys don't seem to do Ka, at least going by their FCC licenses. * In Gen 2 systems, there is no longer an explicit distinction made between user and gateway downlinks on at least some beams, so the above figures assume that all service downlink beams are carrying user traffic. * The above figure are before any FEC. * The single cell limits are independent of the number of satellites you deploy - it's the most a cell can get. But, like you, I'm somewhat intrigued that we haven't see any follow-up applications from SpaceX at the FCC for the 3rd generation. SAT-LOA-20200526-00055 is four years old, and its latest amendment from March this year (unless something's popped up in the last  few weeks) relates to their D2D plans only. The latest amendment pertinent to Internet things is from August 2021. The gap between Gen 1 (SAT-LOA-20170726-00110) and Gen 2 (SAT-LOA-20200526-00055) was just over three years - and it took almost that long to get SAT-LOA-20170726-00110's last modification SAT-MOD-20200417-00037 filed. Maybe now that they know that they can get a lift, they will. Or maybe they're going flag of convenience and will launch under the Tongan regulator, where they've applied for 29,995 satellites, somewhat more recently. -- **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) The University of Auckland u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ **************************************************************** --------------r38im47pd7y1v1FEz1yYXkfM Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 10/06/2024 11:50 am, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote:

The second set of questions are that the newer, larger Starlink satellites were designed, oh, 4 years ago? with about 4x the capacity of the existing ones, and I imagine (and hope) that they have been continually redesigned with an eye to latency now, as well as capacity.

What do you actually mean by "capacity" here? We have actual numbers in terms of what SpaceX are licensed for for user downlink, and that works out to be:

From a V1 or V1.5:

  • no more than 12 Gb/s into a single cell.
  • no more than 16 Gb/s across all user downlink beams.

From a V2(mini):

  • no more than 20 Gb/s into a single cell on Ku.
  • no more than 48 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ku user downlink.
  • no more than 25.2 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ka user downlink into a single cell.
  • no more than 99.2 Gb/s across all beams licensed for Ka user downlink.

Note:

  • The current Dishys don't seem to do Ka, at least going by their FCC licenses.
  • In Gen 2 systems, there is no longer an explicit distinction made between user and gateway downlinks on at least some beams, so the above figures assume that all service downlink beams are carrying user traffic.
  • The above figure are before any FEC.
  • The single cell limits are independent of the number of satellites you deploy - it's the most a cell can get.

But, like you, I'm somewhat intrigued that we haven't see any follow-up applications from SpaceX at the FCC for the 3rd generation. SAT-LOA-20200526-00055 is four years old, and its latest amendment from March this year (unless something's popped up in the last  few weeks) relates to their D2D plans only. The latest amendment pertinent to Internet things is from August 2021. The gap between Gen 1 (SAT-LOA-20170726-00110) and Gen 2 (SAT-LOA-20200526-00055) was just over three years - and it took almost that long to get SAT-LOA-20170726-00110's last modification SAT-MOD-20200417-00037 filed. Maybe now that they know that they can get a lift, they will. Or maybe they're going flag of convenience and will launch under the Tongan regulator, where they've applied for 29,995 satellites, somewhat more recently.

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u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz 
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