From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp93.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp93.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A702D3B29D for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:09:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: karl@auerbach.com Received: by smtp20.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: karl-AT-auerbach.com) with ESMTPSA id 256C2A0119 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:09:09 -0400 (EDT) To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Karl Auerbach Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:09:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Classification-ID: 04938933-74b7-4512-8413-9c50ef06f3f3-1-1 Subject: Re: [Starlink] Intro and a question X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 23:09:09 -0000 On 7/26/21 8:51 PM, Larry Press wrote: > https://spacenews.com/tech-breakthrough-morphs-gigabit-wifi-into-terabit-satellite-internet/ > Wow! I got massive deja vu and thought had to check whether I was reading a 1970's copy of the JC Whitney Catalog! (Or my own CaveBear Catalog - of hyperbolic bogus network stuff: "If we have it, you don't need it"), most particularly: - Our Press Release from one of the Interop shows, people actually believed this!! Gaga Net: https://www.cavebear.com/cb_catalog/techno/gaganet/ ) - The Maximum Momentum Router: https://www.cavebear.com/cb_catalog/current/maxmoment/ (For those who don't remember, the JC Whitnet catalog was filled with things for your car that would improve gas milage by a zillion percent or bump horsepower by 200hp. With that catalog one could turn an old 1200cc VW bug into a flame breathing monster, or so one would if one accepted the hyperbole.) OK, let's accept this guy's claims as true. Do they make an end-to-end difference? Perhaps if the satellite part of the end-to-end path is truly a bit synchronous "bent-pipe". But Starlink seems to be evolving far past that simple bit-clocked-circuit model into something more resembling a space internet with routers, or at least a switched network that could have issues such as choice of route, multiple inputs feeding into one output (in other words, potential congestion). BTW, I did like the article's phrase "High Definition Internet" - It immediately called to mind "Brawndo - it's got electrolytes" (from the movie Idiocracy. --karl--