From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmail.com policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56814A69EA4 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2025 00:19:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-47798ded6fcso37620035e9.1 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2025 15:19:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1765235976; x=1765840776; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=mime-version:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:cc:to:from :date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Gh5Ts1ogLMjztNk4rm6NIDSaa6bZoKUIfD2xruRlpWA=; b=BaOBqoWB0r1IMK6hgnLTMZAB0zq98SXQQ7c6zfQTFDJyl938tCvIoIjFZXV2klfYCc CDmNv7g7CrZ8S+NKTCJwrQwW+MGRDnbKDyY9XhXfmXWgmLRkldoG+pzRi6bh2zHaoPmf gZYlbGkYUVnJ82RMEvSx37S4HyTE3G89wH8wPlUU2pCXe6m2O3axQmg1+9SWAkbKnoQf vgTlkJ2MApNCVDtbNZFlIT+MWm+fMKZJu+C/0cApLmUGbnWrjKP4uwZ2icOPLUUUQkqS kx7EjNej+R6EXctHK+u/XH+8tlr51WjDYwuICzIN1ZqfJVE5IzbJ6CGbNfMLOTarnz3v Ttmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1765235976; x=1765840776; h=mime-version:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:cc:to:from :date:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Gh5Ts1ogLMjztNk4rm6NIDSaa6bZoKUIfD2xruRlpWA=; b=Gqigx5qbvrm77fc6ril1EJU2HOfbVZIcTW67IrtXjdmOiIfPliXjYOIJz0IoDCUp8V TxUc4C38P2QJNAblq2ILxtQnxIhV0NBJQ4uB48JDBLo75oiLuJgfiX40FARVZlq+bkUO YghFu83Qg2He0BdnILIee7yM3vNi10BXCyhkVXhbEFveUtvXGvYQOj7uu8VGJXvvoJ81 z+t3MGgXZcVUdFpwcJHbTBkgz5BJ3xh9yUZQR+Bjw1hhFQpnZWZq1R1ohAQXkUOtFrhm q6wkaJQUHFGqnNZaCmIvY7ReqlnPq289f6MlZZnaQKlmAhBTOZ2sbRcDzIVbrUwcdbQA 75Zg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXrmQ1iKKjrMzylPDfb1jHnwEySF7EKKwNrkbEUZqUS6Bp3EValEn/AYtfsHCSLq9tF8VV4ExtFhw==@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyiDVTETt40u/kdxsN9oZowXkByY7TtElbrobwbUwpY7MXzu383 Z0CpgI3knpnnzF2P6gzkoHCdA4FNgm8wYVbGjly1XVhL7tvJkt7cVNbe X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnct9CKLMEQSgApY6xTYu2w1Opd8Y7x45WHTRJbN7j2fCtf8jVmlIMe57XbnmlWd lxNBq5uTvRR6wyCFlrm3W7FgiRhrK3EGtQfo67uGVFi839NFC4WNsN4jSqI3uA0m1P5rKWIbx1q TMQOdyT/w9fppr14Ss2Old7sESgxgy06NDcLQ4RdCd1xkyqkp+KLp6vsazUYaOdM6xsxY9+BvHv oOhxBW2yt1nGRjBAbzsKmzFEm47iZelE8WXZAPyRWVsEvneRKXVPF3R1YADeHbwJTRRm4EY5eyh 1xGYx36QUl1b/pvcJ6ix/3YINJ/9hM0SFQIxQUzQzbHm7NcgNDNJlQx8o9dFvYuGFM5byQUOsLM VLBKbfQ/oYKU0Jdvod5adYSQCeNk5cu2IXQl7hFnjjYc6jddZtrVeGQBXzZt/gKoAUcKxWTzWPO s06b5ZQ42jX3Gre3g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG4LPefVmjVIxSPQair3CeHx6u8d/M4R+LRm7SU/2PLwjwR+FNCtip2fg7330UttpaicFGwzw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:529b:b0:479:3a88:de5d with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4793a88deb1mr91382825e9.36.1765235975648; Mon, 08 Dec 2025 15:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([105.112.210.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-47a7d6fa121sm7790225e9.5.2025.12.08.15.19.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Dec 2025 15:19:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2025 00:19:27 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: Inemesit Affia To: Michael Kan Cc: David Lang , Michael Richardson , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <00q8p152-5449-s323-7s0o-939sorop5o09@ynat.uz> <5c567cea-c078-4bb7-8ec5-736ed9b4ddd0@gmail.com> <3p3n0491-n2r6-0590-84ss-2p7n1o2145n0@ynat.uz> <6e38e498-ef47-4706-9d33-06e0b28bc3b1@gmail.com> <5098.1765221714@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <2609.1765228007@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <64n86r2n-qo8s-45or-36rr-9rrs41ors45p@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Correlation-ID: Message-ID-Hash: 7CD22Y56XIMXS7W7I6XDNWKITQ3AA2YY X-Message-ID-Hash: 7CD22Y56XIMXS7W7I6XDNWKITQ3AA2YY X-MailFrom: inemesitaffia@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: RGF2aWQsIHRob3NlIGFyZSBsYXRlbmNpZXMgZm9yIGVhY2ggY29tcG9uZW50Lg0KDQpEb24ndCBl eHBlY3QgdGhlIH4yNSBtcyBTdGFybGluayBjYW4gZG8gcmlnaHQgbm93IGluIHRoZSBDb250aW5l bnRhbCBVU0EuIEkgYmVsaWV2ZSBpbiB0aGF0IHJlIEludmVudCB2aWRlbyBmcm9tIEFtYXpvbiwg dGhleSBtZW50aW9uZWQgNTAgbXMgdG8gc3RhcnQgd2l0aC4NCg0KRGVjIDgsIDIwMjUgMTA6MjI6 MzIgUE0gTWljaGFlbCBLYW4gPG1pY2hhZWxfa2FuQHBjbWFnLmNvbT46DQoNCj4gbGF0ZW5jeSBm b3IgQW1hem9uIExlbz8gaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj1uWkN4NjEyejkz MA0KPiANCj4gT24gTW9uLCBEZWMgOCwgMjAyNSBhdCAxOjE14oCvUE0gRGF2aWQgTGFuZyB2aWEg U3RhcmxpbmsgPHN0YXJsaW5rQGxpc3RzLmJ1ZmZlcmJsb2F0Lm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6DQo+PiBNaWNo YWVsIFJpY2hhcmRzb24gd3JvdGU6DQo+PiANCj4+PiBEYXZpZCBMYW5nIDxkYXZpZEBsYW5nLmht PiB3cm90ZToNCj4+PsKgIMKgID4gTWljaGFlbCBSaWNoYXJkc29uIHdyb3RlOg0KPj4+DQo+Pj7C oCDCoCA+PiBXb3VsZCBiZSBuaWNlIHRvIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gYWZmb3JkIHAycCB2aWRlby4NCj4+ PsKgIMKgID4+IFdvdWxkIGJlIGZhbnRhc3RpYyBpZiBMMyBkZWNpc2lvbnMgY291bGQgb2NjdXIg aW4gc3BhY2Ugd2hlbiB0aGUgcmVjaXBpZW50cw0KPj4+wqAgwqAgPj4gYXJlICJuZWFyYnknDQo+ Pj4NCj4+PsKgIMKgID4gSSd2ZSBzZWVuIGEgbG90IG9mIHBlb3BsZSB1c2luZyBzdGFybGluayBm b3Igem9vbSBjYWxscyB3aXRob3V0IGlzc3Vlcw0KPj4+DQo+Pj4gSSBtZWFuLCB3aXRob3V0IHpv b20gb3IgYW55IGNlbnRyYWwgc2VydmVyIGluIHNvbWUgREMuDQo+Pj4gIkNodXJjaCcgc2VuZHMg dmlkZW8gZGlyZWN0bHkuDQo+PiANCj4+IHdoYXQgdXBsaW5rIGJhbmR3aXRoIGFyZSB0aGV5IG5l ZWRpbmc/IEkgc2VlIG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIHVzaW5nIHN0YXJsaW5rIHRvDQo+PiBzdHJlYW0gbGl2 ZSA0ayB2aWRlbyBvZiBjYW1lcmFzIGZyb20gU3RhcmJhc2UgVHgsIGZyZXF1ZW50bHkgbXVsdGlw bGUgY2FtZXJhcw0KPj4gcGVyIHN0YXJsaW5rLg0KPj4gDQo+PiBEYXZpZCBMYW5nDQo+PiBfX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPj4gU3Rhcmxpbmsg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0IC0tIHN0YXJsaW5rQGxpc3RzLmJ1ZmZlcmJsb2F0Lm5ldA0KPj4gVG8gdW5z dWJzY3JpYmUgc2VuZCBhbiBlbWFpbCB0byBzdGFybGluay1sZWF2ZUBsaXN0cy5idWZmZXJibG9h dC5uZXQNCj4gDQo+IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NCj4g DQo+IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NCj4gVGhpcyBlbWFp bCwgaXRzIGNvbnRlbnRzIGFuZCBhdHRhY2htZW50cyBjb250YWluIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGZyb20g WmlmZiBEYXZpcywgSW5jLiBhbmQvb3IgaXRzIGFmZmlsaWF0ZXMgd2hpY2ggbWF5IGJlIHByaXZp bGVnZWQsIGNvbmZpZGVudGlhbCBvciBvdGhlcndpc2UgcHJvdGVjdGVkIGZyb20gZGlzY2xvc3Vy ZS4gVGhlIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGlzIGludGVuZGVkIHRvIGJlIGZvciB0aGUgYWRkcmVzc2VlKHMp IG9ubHkuIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgbm90IGFuIGFkZHJlc3NlZSwgYW55IGRpc2Nsb3N1cmUsIGNvcHks IGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbiBvciB1c2Ugb2YgdGhlIGNvbnRlbnRzIG9mIHRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBw cm9oaWJpdGVkLiBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIGVtYWlsIGluIGVycm9yLCBwbGVh c2Ugbm90aWZ5IHRoZSBzZW5kZXIgYnkgcmVwbHkgZW1haWwgYW5kIGRlbGV0ZSB0aGUgb3JpZ2lu YWwgbWVzc2FnZSBhbmQgYW55IGNvcGllcy4NCg==