From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp64.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp64.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBEE13B29D for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=evslin.com; s=20220608-p431o605; t=1695159336; bh=YGK1b2RHyV1SlhvlvHV1unFYLTd30JIjj6QGGCTIvwc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=WxudYp5E85r9UPvvmtHagMg899MR7lR+joDJRetuTHVDWh7k9KyRRe5eXbLzOOzg2 gfz5ethK1PMW6bpVt0g7a0wQ5B1iAmTcaf82AHSls/r/HSYk1jDsQmPOF8x0gMOpiq RBZF9VF9SRtZPTvTg/WRclPEhkRYqmlJRIzUkF5k= X-Auth-ID: tom@evslin.com Received: by smtp1.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: tom-AT-evslin.com) with ESMTPSA id 2AB0C6014E; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "'Dave Taht'" , "'Dave Taht via Starlink'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_E377_01D9EB1F.B2ED4CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIRbHcTP55AWlOB+49OrLJU6jaMga+zqTwA Content-Language: en-us X-Classification-ID: c7a11f55-a7a7-4760-8ae9-e1f2f3801116-1-1 Subject: Re: [Starlink] the website for the end of the world X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:35:36 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_E377_01D9EB1F.B2ED4CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a speculation, I=E2=80=99d go further: =20 Much ground-based Internet infrastructure may be replicated in space so = that queries go ground-LEO-ISL-(LEO or GEO)-ISL-LEO-ground. DNS probably = first as Dave says with some caching in LEOs, then server farms of CDNs, = finally actual data centers. more at = https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-in-orbit-a-possible-r= oadmap.html =20 =20 From: Starlink On Behalf Of = Dave Taht via Starlink Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 5:09 PM To: Dave Taht via Starlink Subject: [Starlink] the website for the end of the world =20 John Carmack just kicked off a thoughtful thread over here: =20 https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1704160299845071328 =20 (Among other things, I would rather like to see DNS services hosted = native up there) =20 Starting point: The idea that the internet was created to survive nuclear war is = apocryphal; packet routing does provide some resilience, but you will = lose internet in an apocalypse. Space based systems are interesting to = consider =E2=80=94 they tend to be very reliant on ground systems, but = it would be technically elegant if packets from one ground station to = another were delivered directly, with no other ground interaction. LEO = constellations probably need near constant ground help to update orbital = ephemeris, and the orbits would decay in a few years anyway, but GEO = sats could continue operating for decades if their control software = didn=E2=80=99t preclude it. There should be off grid (or even in-space) = servers connected to the satellite networks at static IP addresses (so = DNS isn=E2=80=99t required). The Website For The End Of The World. What = would a sparsely distributed group of apocalypse survivors want to see = there? A Wikipedia mirror and some type of forum for communication, = certainly. It seems like a good story element, but a little real world = LARPing along those lines would be fun. The tragedy would be when all = the terminals maintaining a fragile network of communication among = humanity shut down due to the account billing servers being unavailable. =20 =20 --=20 Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos ------=_NextPart_000_E377_01D9EB1F.B2ED4CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As a speculation, I=E2=80=99d = go further:

 

Much ground-based Internet infrastructure may be = replicated in space so that queries go ground-LEO-ISL-(LEO or = GEO)-ISL-LEO-ground. DNS probably first as Dave says with some caching = in LEOs, then server farms of CDNs, finally actual data centers. more at = https://blog.tomevslin.com/2021/07/computing-clouds-= in-orbit-a-possible-roadmap.html

 

 

From: Starlink = <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave = Taht via Starlink
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 5:09 = PM
To: Dave Taht via Starlink = <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [Starlink] the = website for the end of the world

 

John Carmack just kicked off a thoughtful thread over = here:

 

 

(Among other things, I would rather like to see DNS = services hosted native up there)

 

Starting point:

The = idea that the internet was created to survive nuclear war is apocryphal; = packet routing does provide some resilience, but you will lose internet = in an apocalypse. Space based systems are interesting to consider = =E2=80=94 they tend to be very reliant on ground systems, but it would = be technically elegant if packets from one ground station to another = were delivered directly, with no other ground interaction. LEO = constellations probably need near constant ground help to update orbital = ephemeris, and the orbits would decay in a few years anyway, but GEO = sats could continue operating for decades if their control software = didn=E2=80=99t preclude it. There should be off grid (or even in-space) = servers connected to the satellite networks at static IP addresses (so = DNS isn=E2=80=99t required). The Website For The End Of The World. What = would a sparsely distributed group of apocalypse survivors want to see = there? A Wikipedia mirror and some type of forum for communication, = certainly. It seems like a good story element, but a little real world = LARPing along those lines would be fun. The tragedy would be when all = the terminals maintaining a fragile network of communication among = humanity shut down due to the account billing servers being = unavailable.



 

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