Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] one dish per household is silly.

[Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>]

When I saw the subject line I thought the proposal was to add several
dishes per household, but no.

Le 10/11/2023 à 13:55, Dave Taht via Starlink a écrit :
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 7:33 AM Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:44, Dave Taht via Nnagain 
>>> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: Steve song's analysis 
>>> here: 
>>> https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/
[...]

> There is no prohibition against sharing. The closest that document 
> comes to it is: "The Standard Service Plan is designed for personal,
>  family, or household use."

And, the specs of Starlink WiFi Router say "Mesh - Compatible with up to
3 Starlink Mesh nodes".  Why 3 and not 4, one might wonder.

Yet there are additional technical reasons as to why extending the WiFi
to others is inconvenient.  For both IPv4 and IPv6 the other users would
be situated behind NATs, multiple levels of them.  It would break
certain apps.

This kind of WiFi sharing was tried and with some degree of success to
ground multi-ISP settings.  My home ISP WiFi allows other users having
same ISP at their home.  Some agreements exist between some ISPs to
expand that domain of allowance.

Here we talk about only one ISP.  Starlink might want, as a first step,
to allow other users that have Starlink at their home.  When more space
ISPs like this will appear, maybe some agreements might happen.

Alex


> 
> resale is prohibited.
> 
>>> I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of 
>>> people as one example.
>> 
>> And if Musk weren’t cutting Starlink connectivity for Ukrainian 
>> defensive uses, those refugee centers wouldn’t have so many people 
>> in them.  And, more to the point, Ukrainian graveyards wouldn’t 
>> have so many people in them.
>> 
> 
> Remarkably, the terms of service do include this:
> 
> "However, Starlink is not designed or intended for use with or in 
> offensive or defensive weaponry or other comparable end-uses. Custom
>  modifications of the Starlink Kits or Services for military end-uses
>  or military end-users may transform the items into products 
> controlled under U.S. export control laws, specifically the 
> International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 C.F.R. §§ 
> 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 C.F.R.
> §§ 730-774) requiring authorizations from the United States
> government for the export, support, or use outside the United States.
> Starlink aftersales support to customers is limited exclusively to
> standard commercial service support. At its sole discretion, Starlink
> may refuse to provide technical support to any modified Starlink
> products and is grounds for termination of this Agreement."
> 
> 
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