From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (vsmx001.dclux.xion.oxcs.net [185.74.65.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12B003B29D for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-2.proxy.oxio.ns.xion.oxcs.net [83.61.18.4]) by mx-out.dclux.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9FD578C034D for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:01:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dclux.xion.oxcs.net; s=mail1; t=1663848082; bh=1VI6207DK/UqwNfrWvWj5TTnI9UCoedyVE/tdQVvmNo=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=Loo9eQBJIn5wT5qgiZf2PAWuC3jXcrUHx/ovT00l04e0XH/aq6esPxM1DVs7GJGtB RvTwfvwORWwG8+fT7e/jygUGQ687xohamhQVBgUcVlVgJ8aEnla9aPD6sRfS5GulkJ PUtb1XrgKiBxbq03s/dbtYTIDPOuMM6dMZAK334xgvscGngxFodyvtNdz8n1e/eCSA PDPpKI12xLQ/WdYlZWu3uiv3d4msqVdrG3iFjGmK7olUzvnvp7pVPOSFbXBzrHLvBM pJmo3Q86EE1TGmcDPCvCB8qxfzS1t/uFP0sakBU964tt7KXXeJVgEhwzjRNiU36aaZ w0Y7kOXAZofDQ== Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 14:01:17 +0200 From: Mike Puchol To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht_via_Starlink?= Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Readdle-Message-ID: e8eb152d-3e78-4ec1-870e-839828d180fe@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="632c4e8f_7545e146_1b22" X-VadeSecure-Status: LEGIT X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT Subject: Re: [Starlink] It's still the starlink latency... X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:01:24 -0000 --632c4e8f_7545e146_1b22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Satellites don=E2=80=99t get re-positioned, they are in orbital planes an= d slots, to move them is expensive in time and fuel, thus, once they have= been placed, they stay. You can see how the constellation operates at st= arlink.sx - you=E2=80=99ll quickly notice why coverage is a function of g= ateway availability, the constellation has enough density. The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enough = satellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 50= % complete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, red= ucing available througput. Best, Mike On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, Andrew Crane via Starlink , wrote: > Even senior reporters for tech publications have been conditioned to no= t look beyond =22speed=22 numbers. > > OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned re= positioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage. > =7E Andrew > > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2:35 PM Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > > > I still find it remarkable that reporters are still missing the > > > meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look a= t > > > the > > > > > > https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in-th= e-us-amid-congestion-woes > > > > > > -- > > > =46Q World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state=5F= of=5Ffq=5Fcodel/ > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > > Starlink mailing list > > > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Starlink mailing list > Starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --632c4e8f_7545e146_1b22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Satellites don=E2=80=99t get re-positioned, they ar= e in orbital planes and slots, to move them is expensive in time and fuel= , thus, once they have been placed, they stay. You can see how the conste= llation operates at starlink.sx - you=E2=80=99ll quickly notice why cover= age is a function of gateway availability, the constellation has enough d= ensity.

The issues in the US are twofold - many customers added while not enough = satellite capacity is available (the first constellation is only about 50= % complete), and many gateways only have half the spectrum available, red= ucing available througput.

Best,

Mike
On Sep 22, 2022 at 13:42 +0200, And= rew Crane via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
Even senior reporters for tech publications have bee= n conditioned to not look beyond =22speed=22 numbers.

OT I wonder if the woes in North America are caused by the unplanned= repositioning of satellites for Ukraine coverage.
=7E Andrew


On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 2= :35 PM Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink=40lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I still fin= d it remarkable that reporters are still missing the
meaning of the huge latencies for starlink, under load. Just look at
the

https://www.pcmag.com/news/starlink-speeds-drop-significantly-in= -the-us-amid-congestion-woes

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