From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail0.rbsov.bogons.net (mail0.rbsov.bogons.net [IPv6:2001:4b10:0:1001::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D84AD3B29E; Mon, 2 Sep 2024 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bogons.net; s=dkim2019; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Reply-To: References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Cc:Subject:To:From:Sender:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YxM529jWLto53/zJrXeHCbANYRk39vmhLwwlQpLtlkE=; b=tLw6isKmW3194pdbwRI+TAHWqG qbBCnzCR8Vx+tGKK+pm5g3Dj8B0hRavtPVazCX4qt1fWpD1UzdEaFQGKEW2KaUleZVgRt0C6hr130 ZtuWGrut9i/7XtCJZN2ZtDtXzsyrhdcynOsAiKSv4w7RQuRbX/AGG2djxrwtiAdgXQwQCBKP0XjIx 2bdBtluax9v0rmy4H1y65I8B9i7ZBJPAO4E6gS5ereLpYqzKn7WGUE6nEIzMjIDOTWH4DyqkgUMnq u41gUE4fTTNQGwceHZhJwHy6zEcYf3e0468Wpr5bjGoFbL1nxd4VXA2ysoCyZ/Q+lXc9ToBDv0NpL NtVpnN0w==; Envelope-to: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Received: from vr0-g0-1-0.thdo.bogons.net ([85.158.40.74] helo=[IPv6:::ffff:132.185.28.54]) by mail0.rbsov.bogons.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1slA3a-00053v-Kt; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 17:37:36 +0100 From: "Brandon Butterworth" To: "David Lang" , "Bob McMahon" Cc: =?utf-8?q?David=20Fern=c3=a1ndez?= , Make-Wifi-fast , "Dave Taht via Starlink" , bloat , "Dorothy Stanley" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 16:37:34 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0p31n75o-9o83-o9q6-1315-2os9p65450s5@ynat.uz> References: <0p31n75o-9o83-o9q6-1315-2os9p65450s5@ynat.uz> Reply-To: "Brandon Butterworth" User-Agent: eM_Client/10.0.3530.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HELO_MISC_IP, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Make-wifi-fast] bloat on wifi8 and 802.11 wg X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 16:37:42 -0000 On 02/09/2024 03:59:43, "David Lang via Starlink"=20 wrote: >It really doesn't help that everyone in the industry is pushing for higher = bandwidth for a single host. That's a nice benchmark number, but not reall= y relevant int he real world. There may be some specific uses but it does seem to be mostly used for selling bigger faster devices, they are also getting a lot more expensive. It is good that wifi gets faster and we got some more channels but in typical congested areas it has been wasted on making wider channels so each station can destroy more spectrum in one go and we are back where we started - devices shouting over each other. We run a WISP, 5GHz is a mess (more so with devices like Sky Q making their own mesh clashing with existing wifi). brandon