From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail0.rbsov.bogons.net (mail0.rbsov.bogons.net [IPv6:2001:4b10:0:1001::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EEEC3B2A4 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:59:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bogons.net; s=dkim2019; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Reply-To: References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From:Sender:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GYERzttco+SuDlJ9X9U25fjTXe7Sr+x+Qfi7ibv8ZnM=; b=mfQo1DOPlbr9KZwoAy8Zh8Du+F oCw6e0p+RWHIXpWLOxpCWV3fl/LMESoAqSCMs/905vZgsa73YApMEiN3DwHC5I2KF0vypvrUHMm5k ttFzKlwgT9njHFmDvwySolVPAXtO8Yvi/mlngpVJuLBClUKNstlItDT0eiQwTaiQ75p3t7hjMIaHc t6oSD9K8nHYVQa+RDBhhCL46Y49or/SA1/H7mG3hrRXEgG2AyxMcVkWIyTG4J4VRhcPOPc5mTdJsc Hf3PL8GFmg9oOqnXxfJ4HYalaz5CLjv0NPOaotlB/oeeM1Qk45H07kqqhXlmOBkpTd+EdUj/+llBN L0/Tz2ow==; Envelope-to: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Received: from vr0-g0-1-0.thdo.bogons.net ([85.158.40.74] helo=[IPv6:::ffff:132.185.28.54]) by mail0.rbsov.bogons.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tZGrA-0001dz-Ke for starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:59:55 +0000 From: "Brandon Butterworth" To: "Dave Taht via Starlink" Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:59:33 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: "Brandon Butterworth" User-Agent: eM_Client/10.1.4588.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HELO_MISC_IP, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 Subject: Re: [Starlink] I had forgotten how good this was X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:59:56 -0000 saw this, thought oh that's awfully nice of them to go to all that bother https://x.com/SpaceBiz1/status/1880601039386141049 https://orbitaltoday.com/2025/01/15/spacex-tests-solution-to-starlink-satel= lites-interferening-with-on-ground-astronomy/ then saw these: https://x.com/CatSE___ApeX___/status/1880640102889849065 "Nothing to do with astronomers. Replenishrate down there is very expensive. Very frequent beam to beam handovers. They=E2=80=99re forced. BC of a) Harq ACK timeout (they don=E2=80=99t have ASTs patented trick) and b) FCC throttled their power due to bad ACLR and nonexistent sidelobe mitigation." https://x.com/Megaconstellati/status/1880643289897894228 "Note that this is for the SpaceX Gen 2 satellites which ar Ku-band broadband satellites, not D2D, the latter which have never done their orbital raising but remained in VLEO - most likely for the reason you mention" brandon