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boundary="------------0m6wllks29sFLUKyvr19Lv3V" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [Starlink] The curious case of the missing Starlink spectrum licences X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 02:17:13 -0000 --------------0m6wllks29sFLUKyvr19Lv3V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would not surprise me much. The frequencies are clearly being used, though, as we're seeing traffic=20 from Starlink our Starlink dishy come in via vocusgroup (one of their=20 backhaulers) to the Auckland Peering Exchange with RTTs that preclude=20 the use of an overseas teleport. Given that your local MP has a passing interest in Starlink, shall we ask? On 13/11/2023 2:57 pm, Hayden Simon wrote: > > I asked someone who would know about such things; and he said: > > =E2=80=9Cfrom the looks of it, most of the licences expired. Either becau= se=20 > they weren't being used, or because Starlink forgot to pay for them,=20 > or because the RRF is such a giant cluster it ate all their licenses.=20 > (this would not be unusual) > > I can see eleventy billion expired licenses in there and at least=20 > enough to keep their business going that were planned in October and=20 > are in "awaiting payment to grant" state now. > > =E2=80=9C > > HAYDEN=E2=80=8B=C2=A0SIMON > UBER=C2=A0GROUP=C2=A0LIMITED > MANAGING=C2=A0DIRECTOR > > =09 > =20 > =09 > > E: h@uber.nz > > M: 021=C2=A00707=C2=A0014 > > W: www.uber.nz=20 > > > 53=C2=A0PORT=C2=A0ROAD=C2=A0|=C2=A0PO=C2=A0BOX=C2=A05083=C2=A0|=C2=A0WHAN= GAREI=C2=A0|=C2=A0NEW=C2=A0ZEALAND > > =09=09=09 > > *From:*Starlink *On Behalf Of=20 > *Ulrich Speidel via Starlink > *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 2:46 PM > *To:* starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > *Subject:* Re: [Starlink] The curious case of the missing Starlink=20 > spectrum licences > > Blank. > > On 13/11/2023 2:29 pm, Inemesit Affia via Starlink wrote: > > Can you look for tibro or oneweb? > > > _______________________________________________ > > Starlink mailing list > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > --=20 > **************************************************************** > Dr. Ulrich Speidel > School of Computer Science > Room 303S.594 (City Campus) > The University of Auckland > u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz =20 > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ > **************************************************************** --=20 **************************************************************** Dr. Ulrich Speidel School of Computer Science Room 303S.594 (City Campus) The University of Auckland u.speidel@auckland.ac.nz =20 http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/ **************************************************************** --------------0m6wllks29sFLUKyvr19Lv3V Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That would not surprise me much.

The frequencies are clearly being used, though, as we're seeing traffic from Starlink our Starlink dishy come in via vocusgroup (one of their backhaulers) to the Auckland Peering Exchange with RTTs that preclude the use of an overseas teleport.

Given that your local MP has a passing interest in Starlink, shall we ask?

On 13/11/2023 2:57 pm, Hayden Simon wrote:
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I asked someone who would know about such things; and he said:

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= =E2=80=9Cfrom the looks of it, most of the licences expired. Either because they weren't being used, or because Starlink forgot to pay for them, or because the RRF is such a giant cluster it ate all their licenses. (this would not be unusual)

 

I can see eleventy billion expired licenses in there and at least enough to keep their business going that were planned in October and are in "awaiting payment to gran= t" state now.

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Blank.

On 13/11/2023 2:29 pm, Inemesit Affia via Starlink wrote:

Can you look for tibro or oneweb? 


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