From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC0E53CB37 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3AAGBYu3043375 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:11:34 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D8EF204A53 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:11:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet1-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.12]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1435A204A33 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:11:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.32.70] (is156570.intra.cea.fr [10.8.32.70]) by muguet1-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 3AAGBYwY028113 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:11:34 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 17:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: fr To: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <13641F2C-B933-49AF-8289-7B8917667AAE@pch.net> From: Alexandre Petrescu In-Reply-To: <13641F2C-B933-49AF-8289-7B8917667AAE@pch.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CEA-Virus: SOPHOS_SAVI_ERROR_OLD_VIRUS_DATA Subject: Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] one dish per household is silly. X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:11:35 -0000 Le 10/11/2023 à 13:33, Bill Woodcock via Starlink a écrit : >> On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:44, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: >> Steve song's analysis here: >> https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/ > > He makes some good points. > >> A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? > > My neighbors and I do. > >> A single dishy can easily serve dozens of people > > But that’s a different question than whether Starlink’s contract _allows_ you to share it. The contract does not. > > So I think saying that it’s a good thing because it’s good when you don’t follow the rules is… well, perhaps a little too much of a stretch for a general argument. > >> I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of people as one example. > > And if Musk weren’t cutting Starlink connectivity for Ukrainian defensive uses, those refugee centers wouldn’t have so many people in them. And, more to the point, Ukrainian graveyards wouldn’t have so many people in them. > > As always, the Musk-vs.-Tesla and Musk-vs.-SpaceX conflicts are tricky to sort out, and may not yield any more broadly-applicable principles. For info, some times these refuge points are called 'invincibility points', I think. They are not the only ways in which starlink is used in Ukraine. I think the invincibility points are largely humanitarian. They are used intermittently, though. It keeps changing since 2 years. Fiber comes up and down, cellular base stations come up and down, starlink comes up and down. Alex > > -Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink