From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB0913CB41; Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 071231B326; Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 071231B326 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1679776073; bh=wKtd6f4nSH8wthZqUJ9TDF2UvfLP1maL07CakVNDFPI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=e4KMW5PuOB4SBRCdsv3DAwMyK5CdX1t+1jT495ZHxcnqP+x5KDZWP3BDzYL67hdwh elHtf+IuVVpzdqfPjg2bVZi+tYm459jDnDLSY2NzsY4hcWygjvDI45Xh5oWGLyWg7v wA6xvZWoRskJJFRLU/HF8XVEYGJwHdWtABjJfUZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:27:52 -0700 From: rjmcmahon To: rjmcmahon Cc: Frantisek Borsik , Dave Taht via Starlink , dan , brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk, libreqos , Rpm , bloat In-Reply-To: <60e70b637df76234639780ab08f25d82@rjmcmahon.com> References: <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> <2885829.1679221616@dyas> <20230321001019.GA4531@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> <4295238B-FA57-49B6-B57B-78FFB2603B90@gmx.de> <8301258b8fffa18bd14279bff043dd03@rjmcmahon.com> <43bcbc338aecb44a1bef49489ab6f9c8@rjmcmahon.com> <60e70b637df76234639780ab08f25d82@rjmcmahon.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 20:27:54 -0000 To be fair, this isn't unique to Comcast. I hit similar issues in NYC with Verizon. I think we really need to educate people that life support capable communications networks are now critical infrastructure. And, per climate impact, we may want to add Jaffe's network power (capacity over delay) over distance & energy. Fixed wireless offerings are an energy waste and generate excessive type 2 emissions. A cell tower is about 1-5kW for 60 connections or roughly 100-500W per remote client at 1 Gb/s with high latencies. A FiWi network will require 3-5W for 2.8 Gb/s and speed of light over fiber ultra low latencies. I think we really need our broadband providers to lead here and that fiber to WiFi is the only viable end game if we care about our impacts. "The average cellular base station, which comprises the tower and the radio equipment attached to it, can use anywhere from about one to five kilowatts (kW), depending on whether the radio equipment is housed in an air-conditioned building, how old the tower is and how many transceivers are in the base station. Most of the energy is used by the radio to transmit and receive cell-phone signals." Bob > Hi All, > > I've been trying to modernize a building in Boston where I'm an HOA > board member over the last 18 mos. I perceive the broadband network as > a critical infrastructure to our 5 unit building. > > Unfortunately, Comcast staff doesn't seem to agree. The agent > basically closed the chat on me mid-stream (chat attached.) I've been > at this for about 18 mos now. > > While I think bufferbloat is a big issue, the bigger issue is that our > last-mile providers must change their cultures to understand that life > support use cases that require proper pathways, conduits & cabling can > no longer be ignored. These buildings have coaxial thrown over the > exterior walls done in the 80s then drilling holes without > consideration of structures. This and the lack of environmental > protections for our HOA's critical infrastructure is disheartening. > It's past time to remove this shoddy work on our building and all > buildings in Boston as well as across the globe. > > My hope was by now I'd have shown through actions what a historic > building in Boston looks like when we, as humans in our short lives, > act as both stewards of history and as responsible guardians to those > that share living spaces and neighborhoods today & tomorrow. > Motivating humans to better serve one another is hard. > > Bob