From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88F583B29E for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2022 21:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.69]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F6913C079; Wed, 13 Jul 2022 18:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 18:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: "Gary E. Miller" cc: Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: <20220713175957.5fc577a4@spidey.rellim.com> Message-ID: References: <20220713173602.0582c9b3@spidey.rellim.com> <20220713175957.5fc577a4@spidey.rellim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Starlink] starlink at sea X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 01:36:58 -0000 It's also true that SpaceX tends to set their prices to undercut the competition by a nice margin, rather than trying for the lowest possible price (however they define their competition in a particular case) We know that their list prices for launches are far above their costs, but still very comfortably below competing launchers for example (they've done enough special deals to indicate that they are willing to go MUCH lower than list to win a bid, and there's no reason to think that they lose money on any launch) unfortuantly for the more casual boater, it seems that they've decided the competition is the type of service they've been using on their barges. (taking the market from the top down). We can hope that they will add a cheaper, less performant tier later. David Lang On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, Gary E. Miller via Starlink wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:59:57 -0700 > From: Gary E. Miller via Starlink > Reply-To: Gary E. Miller > To: Dave Taht via Starlink > Subject: Re: [Starlink] starlink at sea > > Yo David! > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 17:40:38 -0700 (PDT) > David Lang wrote: > >> it all depends on what you are comparing it to. This isn't designed >> for a 30 ft boat, but rather for commercial operations. SpaceX had >> talked about how this replaces the earlier satellite services they >> have had on their boats that were unreliable and cost >$150k/month >> with much better service listing for <$50k/month (for all their boats) > > Yes, it compares favorably to the existing alternatives. A mega-yauct > owner would not notice the price. > >> This is designed to be an all-weather allways-on service, most >> boaters could just use a standard starlink RV setup and put it out >> when they need it (taking it down when the weather is poor) > > Excapt, Starlink will not let yuo use the RV roaming plan when offshore. > The maritime plan explicitly covers open ocean. The RV plan hardly goes > beyond the sight of land. > > I imagine the main driver of the high cost is the prolem in getting > downlink stations between California and Hawaii, etc. This will be a > real test of the sat to sat relaying. > > RGDS > GARY > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703 > gem@rellim.com Tel:+1 541 382 8588 > > Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas? > "If you can't measure it, you can't improve it." - Lord Kelvin >