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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Daniel AJ Sokolov <daniel@sokolov.eu.org>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Starlink] 69,000 Users
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 17:20:28 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2106301712380.3753340@qynat-yncgbc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85e23731-2893-d038-99c1-231d130ce976@sokolov.eu.org>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021, Daniel AJ Sokolov wrote:

> If that is the case, it doesn't help much that the average life span is a bit 
> more than 5 years. When a train of satellite starts to degrade, they may just 
> deorbit the entire train, even if some of the satellites in the train could 
> still operate for a while.
>
> Or am I getting that wrong?

My point is that a train is already a variable number, so it's not line 1 train 
== 1 orbit of satellites

They have had a number of failures and a few deliberate deorbits for testing.

the sateelites they have already launched are sufficient to provide global 
coverage (except at the poles), but they plan to launch a LOT more, including 
more into the current shell.

So I think it's going to be more a matter of graceful degredation and then 
launching a new set to fill gaps than killing an entire train at a time.

If they are going to launch 400 or so on a single starship launch, there has to 
be enough delta-v for them to not only space themselves out along one orbit, but 
to shift the orbit east/west as well, which gives them a lot more flexibility 
than you are assuming.

David Lang


  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-01  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-30  2:00 Daniel AJ Sokolov
2021-06-30  5:24 ` David Lang
2021-06-30  5:48   ` Dave Taht
2021-06-30  7:13     ` [Starlink] routing capability in starlinks Dave Taht
2021-06-30 14:43       ` Michael Richardson
2021-06-30 23:56         ` Nick Buraglio
2021-06-30  7:23     ` [Starlink] 69,000 Users Mike Puchol
2021-06-30  7:30       ` David Lang
2021-06-30  7:43         ` Mike Puchol
2021-06-30  7:51         ` Dave Taht
2021-06-30  9:57         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2021-06-30 14:24           ` Dave Taht
2021-06-30 18:33             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2021-06-30 20:40               ` Dick Roy
2021-06-30 23:33         ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2021-07-01  0:00           ` David Lang
2021-07-01  0:03             ` Daniel AJ Sokolov
2021-07-01  0:20               ` David Lang [this message]
2021-06-30 10:53       ` Jared Mauch

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