From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA043B29D for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 13:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.69]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8FE1AD709; Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Michael Richardson cc: David Lang , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <32196.1695402777@localhost> Message-ID: References: <9d96e8d6-8a40-4353-b7a3-49881742f1a7@auckland.ac.nz> <04809a35-4c06-43b6-bc2e-b69de3214946@gmail.com> <9283a186-e960-4106-ad87-ff5c6a97da7e@gmail.com> <1oor055r-p02p-3o25-9056-p257s819q308@ynat.uz> <32196.1695402777@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [Starlink] APNIC56 last week X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:26:07 -0000 We don't know what their routing in space is. But we know that it isn't just up to a single satellite and back down to a ground station. But I will say that since they NAT the connection at the ground station (or Internet peering point), and not allowing dishy-to-dishy direct communications yet, they aren't sending different packets to different destinations, they are sending them all to the single internet gateway David Lang On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, Michael Richardson wrote: > David Lang via Starlink wrote: > > We know the lasers are in operation as they are providing service to places > > more than one sat hop away from ground stations. We also know they have a lot > > of ground stations around to share the load. > > But, is it still bent pipe (long, kinked, fine) solution? > There are no L2 or L3 decisions being made in the satellites themselves yet? > >