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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
	 Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] It’s the Latency, FCC
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <on68s6o5-s10o-oo25-733s-r4o1o71qp184@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5af7daca-549a-4980-8266-44e39569e647@gmail.com>

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Alexandre Petrescu wrote:

> h++ps://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/aws-stops-selling-snowmobile-truck-for-cloud-migrations.html
>> so this is more than just a concept...
>
> Thank you for the example.  It is good to know.  From the URL, it seems 
> as if they did with that truck something that magnetic backup tapes did 
> before.  Last time I checked, magnetic backup tapes still had higher 
> capacity than hard disk drives at a same dimension, but I dont know now.
>
> In a similar vein, there is also a demo of IP-over-avian-carriers RFC 
> (pigeons).  It is just half fun, and useful in some sense.
>
> This aspect of using object things (trucks, planes, pigeons) to transmit 
> data, rather than electromagnetic waves, is also very relevant in a 
> satcom discussion.  They talk about these ballons, cubesats, disksats, 
> sails, and more.  They too might offer higher bandwidths but with huge 
> latencies.  They might be useful for some application, too.

I think the original version was 'never underestimate the bandwidth of a station 
wagon filled with tapes driving down the freeway' :-)

tape may have a higher density, but once you include the fact that tape is more 
fragile when transported, and the time it takes to read/write the data on each 
end, the value of RAID arrays of spinning rust compared to tape is very 
attractive.

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-30 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2024-04-30 14:00 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 14:25   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 14:32     ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-04-30 14:40       ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 14:45         ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-04-30 14:56           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30 15:04             ` David Lang [this message]
2024-04-30 15:01         ` David Lang
2024-05-06 15:42 David Fernández
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2024-05-06 13:21 David Fernández
2024-05-03  9:09 [Starlink] It's " David Fernández
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2024-05-02 14:47 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-05-02 19:50   ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-06 11:19     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-06 13:43       ` Nathan Owens
2024-05-06 15:22         ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-14 19:23       ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-15  6:52         ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-15 14:55           ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-03  1:48   ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-05-03  7:22     ` Jeremy Austin
2024-05-03  9:02     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-03  8:29   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-03  8:34   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-01 16:35 [Starlink] It's " David Fernández
2024-05-01  8:41 David Fernández
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2024-04-30 20:48 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin  Higbie
2024-04-30 20:49   ` Colin_Higbie
2024-05-01  0:51   ` David Lang
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2024-04-30 19:31 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:51   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:07     ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 21:22       ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-04-30 22:02         ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:03           ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:05         ` [Starlink] Fwd: " Rich Brown
2024-04-30 22:10           ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:42             ` [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2024-04-30 23:06               ` Dave Taht
2024-04-30 22:31           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:22       ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-04-30 21:35         ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-04-30 21:53           ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:54             ` David Lang
2024-05-01  7:27             ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-05-01 19:26               ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-14 16:05                 ` Dave Taht
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2024-04-30 19:12 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:31   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:33     ` David Lang
2024-05-01  0:31   ` David Lang
2024-05-01  0:40     ` [Starlink] It?s " David Lang
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2024-04-30 18:05 ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-04-30 19:04   ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-05-01  0:36     ` David Lang
2024-05-02  9:09     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-05-02  9:28       ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-04-30 20:05   ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-05-02  9:21     ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-04-30  9:54 David Fernández
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2024-03-16 19:10 ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 19:32   ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-17 17:00   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-17 19:26     ` Frantisek Borsik
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2024-03-15 18:32 ` Colin  Higbie
2024-03-15 18:41   ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-15 19:53     ` Spencer Sevilla
2024-03-15 20:31       ` Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 17:18         ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-16 17:21           ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-03-16 17:36           ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-03-16 22:51             ` David Lang
2024-03-15 23:07       ` David Lang
2024-03-16 18:45         ` [Starlink] Itʼs " Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 23:05           ` David Lang
2024-03-17 15:47             ` [Starlink] It’s " Colin_Higbie
2024-03-16 18:51         ` [Starlink] It?s " Gert Doering
2024-03-16 23:08           ` David Lang
2024-04-30  0:39   ` [Starlink] It’s " David Lang
2024-03-15  3:53 Larry Press
2024-03-15  5:33 ` Dave Taht
2024-03-15 21:14   ` Michael Richardson

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