From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [45.59.245.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAA313B29D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FCE1CF177; Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Alexandre Petrescu cc: Sebastian Moeller , Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink In-Reply-To: <5af7daca-549a-4980-8266-44e39569e647@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <727b07d9-9dc3-43b7-8e17-50b6b7a4444a@gmail.com> <5af7daca-549a-4980-8266-44e39569e647@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="228850167-96584523-1714489453=:109447" Subject: Re: [Starlink] =?iso8859-7?q?It=A2s_the_Latency=2C_FCC?= X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 15:04:14 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --228850167-96584523-1714489453=:109447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > h++ps://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/aws-stops-selling-snowmobile-truck-for-cloud-migrations.html >> so this is more than just a concept... > > Thank you for the example.  It is good to know.  From the URL, it seems > as if they did with that truck something that magnetic backup tapes did > before.  Last time I checked, magnetic backup tapes still had higher > capacity than hard disk drives at a same dimension, but I dont know now. > > In a similar vein, there is also a demo of IP-over-avian-carriers RFC > (pigeons).  It is just half fun, and useful in some sense. > > This aspect of using object things (trucks, planes, pigeons) to transmit > data, rather than electromagnetic waves, is also very relevant in a > satcom discussion.  They talk about these ballons, cubesats, disksats, > sails, and more.  They too might offer higher bandwidths but with huge > latencies.  They might be useful for some application, too. I think the original version was 'never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with tapes driving down the freeway' :-) tape may have a higher density, but once you include the fact that tape is more fragile when transported, and the time it takes to read/write the data on each end, the value of RAID arrays of spinning rust compared to tape is very attractive. David Lang --228850167-96584523-1714489453=:109447--