From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F681A705A5 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2025 22:33:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7DF213156; Tue, 9 Dec 2025 13:33:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2025 14:33:14 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: "Livingood, Jason" cc: David Lang , Inemesit Affia , "starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <00q8p152-5449-s323-7s0o-939sorop5o09@ynat.uz> <5c567cea-c078-4bb7-8ec5-736ed9b4ddd0@gmail.com> <3p3n0491-n2r6-0590-84ss-2p7n1o2145n0@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: ILU5BZ4LWG4TWNNFAKHLN2QQNFD6BUFU X-Message-ID-Hash: ILU5BZ4LWG4TWNNFAKHLN2QQNFD6BUFU X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Livingood, Jason wrote: >> do small businesses really need higher speeds than they can get now? > > Excellent point. IMO we are in an environment of bandwidth abundance rather than scarcity. In a recent example - at IETF-124 in November, with a peak of 820 devices on the network (much larger than a small biz): I help run the Southern California Linux Expo and for the 3500 attendees, we have had <500Mb (they are upgrading to 1Gb this year) it fails when an instructor tells a class of 300 people to all download some large image at the same time, but otherwise is pretty comfortable. David Lang