Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering

[David Lang <david@lang.hm>]

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Sebastian Moeller wrote:

>> On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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>> Good point… that sure makes matching new capacity to new subscribers really hard.
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> 	[SM] Or easy: "just" add more satellites ;) some of the added capacity should also end up at new subscribers... SCNR

yep, which is what they are doing. ;-)

there is some that they can do in terms of the ground station positioning, 
density, and connectivity.

David Lang

> Regards
> 	Sebastian
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>> Gene
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>> Eugene Chang
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>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
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>>> that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit.
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>>> David Lang
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>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote:
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>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000
>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
>>>> To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
>>>> Cc: Eugene Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>, Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>,
>>>>    Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
>>>> Yes and no.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.)
>>>>
>>>> Depending on your definition of “one area” when you say “not in any one area”.
>>>> Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites.
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>>>> Sorry, when I say “add service to an area”, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite orbit.
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>>>> https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink <https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink>
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>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>> Eugene Chang
>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
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>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
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>>>>> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area.
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>>>>> David Lang
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>>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote:
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>>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000
>>>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
>>>>>> To: Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering
>>>>>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity).
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>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Eugene Chang
>>>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>>>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything to lose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US <https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US>, latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to congestion.
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>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
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