From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E5063B29D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.70]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D8B14B450; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 02:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 02:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Sebastian Moeller cc: Eugene Y Chang , David Lang , Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> <9BBC901E-B98E-4C0D-BEEF-2F6D56AB27A3@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="228850167-410657772-1664442864=:3055" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:14:25 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --228850167-410657772-1664442864=:3055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >> On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >> >> Good point… that sure makes matching new capacity to new subscribers really hard. > > [SM] Or easy: "just" add more satellites ;) some of the added capacity should also end up at new subscribers... SCNR yep, which is what they are doing. ;-) there is some that they can do in terms of the ground station positioning, density, and connectivity. David Lang > Regards > Sebastian > > >> >> Gene >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Eugene Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.chang@ieee.org >> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >> >> >> >>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang wrote: >>> >>> that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit. >>> >>> David Lang >>> >>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote: >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000 >>>> From: Eugene Y Chang >>>> To: David Lang >>>> Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero , >>>> Dave Taht via Starlink >>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>>> Yes and no. >>>> >>>> Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.) >>>> >>>> Depending on your definition of “one area” when you say “not in any one area”. >>>> Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites. >>>> >>>> Sorry, when I say “add service to an area”, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite orbit. >>>> >>>> https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink >>>> >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> ---------------------------------------------- >>>> Eugene Chang >>>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area. >>>>> >>>>> David Lang >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >>>>>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>>>>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >>>>>> To: Dotzero >>>>>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>>>>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service? >>>>>> >>>>>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity). >>>>>> >>>>>> Gene >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Eugene Chang >>>>>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>>>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>>>>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything to lose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US , latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to congestion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Starlink mailing list >>>>>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Starlink mailing list >>>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > --228850167-410657772-1664442864=:3055--