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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx>
Cc: Michael Richardson via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] SpaceX/Starlink says it's ready for a fall satellite-to-cell service with T-Mobile
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 21:26:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <r161q38p-8rsn-nq5s-833p-26op0p1q11p2@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8a6c3fe-7bd1-4cc9-b80b-bce636e21656@Spark>

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Mike Puchol wrote:

> Yes, they correct doppler in a single stream - what I was alluding to is the 
> MIMO advantage of terrestrial networks which cannot be easily replicated from 
> multiple satellites, as the UE cannot correct multiple doppler shifts and 
> timing advances unless it implements an NTN-specific approach.

I am thinking that the doppler correction will be the same (or very close to it) 
for everything in a single cell.

now, timing that exact between multiple satellites is something I would see as a 
harder problem, but I'm not an expert there.

David Lang

>
> Best,
>
> Mike
> On Jun 4, 2024 at 20:17 -0700, David Lang <david@lang.hm>, wrote:
>> Mike Puchol wrote:
>>
>>> Something else that's much harder to implement is MIMO, as you don't get path
>>> diversity from a satellite. AST claims they will do this by using more than
>>> one satellite, however they haven't answered basic questions such as how will
>>> the UE compensate the huge differences in doppler shift on top of the multiple
>>> paths.
>>
>> for the starlink version, the satellite adjusts it's transmit/receive
>> frequencies to correct for the doppler shift so that the phones don't need to.
>>
>> David Lang
>>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-05  4:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-03 18:08 Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-03 18:17 ` the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
2024-06-04 12:32   ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-03 20:47 ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-03 21:16   ` David Lang
2024-06-03 21:57     ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-03 21:59       ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-03 22:41       ` David Lang
2024-06-04  0:13         ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04  0:54           ` David Lang
2024-06-04 11:20             ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-04 11:43               ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-04 11:54                 ` Frantisek Borsik
2024-06-04 13:11                   ` Ulrich Speidel
2024-06-04 18:10                     ` David Lang
2024-06-04 18:51                       ` Eugene Y Chang
2024-06-04 18:58       ` Michael Richardson
2024-06-04 23:01         ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  3:17           ` David Lang
2024-06-05  4:16             ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  4:26               ` David Lang [this message]
2024-06-05  4:47               ` Sebastian Moeller
2024-06-05  6:12                 ` Mike Puchol
2024-06-05  7:03                 ` David Lang
2024-06-05 11:30         ` Alexandre Petrescu
2024-06-04 10:42 David Fernández

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