From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (unknown [66.167.227.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96A6D3B29D for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.70]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4515714B3BF; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Eugene Y Chang cc: David Lang , Dotzero , Dave Taht via Starlink In-Reply-To: <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> Message-ID: References: <198D364D-DA0E-445A-8E13-FDA24486E30C@ieee.org> <39q83o29-4r63-2qn6-1s46-n97rq66qrpn6@ynat.uz> <34E90BC8-4843-4C03-8A74-B50AB2F22995@ieee.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="228850167-2084419713-1664425766=:3055" Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 04:29:27 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --228850167-2084419713-1664425766=:3055 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit. David Lang On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000 > From: Eugene Y Chang > To: David Lang > Cc: Eugene Chang , Dotzero , > Dave Taht via Starlink > Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering > > Yes and no. > > Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.) > > Depending on your definition of “one area” when you say “not in any one area”. > Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites. > > Sorry, when I say “add service to an area”, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite orbit. > > https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink > > > Gene > ---------------------------------------------- > Eugene Chang > IEEE Senior Life Member > eugene.chang@ieee.org > 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) > > > >> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >> >> The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area. >> >> David Lang >> >> On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote: >> >>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000 >>> From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink >>> Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang >>> To: Dotzero >>> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink >>> Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering >>> What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service? >>> >>> Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity). >>> >>> Gene >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> Eugene Chang >>> IEEE Senior Life Member >>> eugene.chang@ieee.org >>> 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything to lose. >>>> >>>> Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio. >>>> >>>> According to https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US , latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to congestion. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Starlink mailing list >>>> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > --228850167-2084419713-1664425766=:3055--