From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF4C1A693A8 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2025 21:57:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF0D212ECD; Mon, 8 Dec 2025 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 13:57:05 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: Michael Richardson cc: Inemesit Affia , David Lang , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <5098.1765221714@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Message-ID: References: <00q8p152-5449-s323-7s0o-939sorop5o09@ynat.uz> <5c567cea-c078-4bb7-8ec5-736ed9b4ddd0@gmail.com> <3p3n0491-n2r6-0590-84ss-2p7n1o2145n0@ynat.uz> <6e38e498-ef47-4706-9d33-06e0b28bc3b1@gmail.com> <5098.1765221714@obiwan.sandelman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID-Hash: QROZM762UC3NKOSJ5KOZ5PY4YPCLTEBE X-Message-ID-Hash: QROZM762UC3NKOSJ5KOZ5PY4YPCLTEBE X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: Amazon Leo announcing up to 1 Gbps (DOWN) and 400 Mbps (UP) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Michael Richardson wrote: > Would be nice to be able to afford p2p video. > Would be fantastic if L3 decisions could occur in space when the recipients > are "nearby' I've seen a lot of people using starlink for zoom calls without issues > One use case from northern canada that I'm aware is the 9am login at > government offices. Lots of bandwidth needed to do all that ActiveDirectory > profile replication/update for all the people doing this at the same time. > I've heard stories of it taking an hour for everyone to get logged in. > AD replication ought to solve this, but apparently, it doesn't for reasons I > don't understand. microsoft protocols are not wan friendly, they do lots of round trips. There are wan accelerator middle boxes that short-cut the protocols. It's not just the AD lookups, it's filesystem queries as well. David Lang