From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lang.hm; dkim=fail; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (wsip-70-167-213-146.ph.ph.cox.net [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B779A0340 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 19:50:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.2.2.53] (unknown [10.2.2.53]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205B1210EDE; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 10:50:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 11:50:12 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: Kenneth Porter cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <1c49e0fa-f2ee-4d89-87f5-bc7f5538e77d@sewingwitch.com> Message-ID: References: <1c49e0fa-f2ee-4d89-87f5-bc7f5538e77d@sewingwitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: 4RZ7D7MB5VYAAGDUJBKXJGJJR5HQPFMB X-Message-ID-Hash: 4RZ7D7MB5VYAAGDUJBKXJGJJR5HQPFMB X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Starlink] Re: AI IN SPACE: Post from Elon Musk (@elonmusk) List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: c3VuIHN5bmNocm9ub3VzIG9yYml0cyBhcmUgaW4gc3VubGlnaHQgMTAwJSBvZiB0aGUgdGltZSBh dCBhbnkgYWx0aXR1ZGUuDQoNCkRhdmlkIExhbmcNCg0KT24gVGh1LCAyMCBOb3YgMjAyNSwgS2Vu bmV0aCBQb3J0ZXIgdmlhIFN0YXJsaW5rIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IERhdGU6IFRodSwgMjAgTm92IDIw MjUgMDk6MDM6MDAgLTA4MDANCj4gRnJvbTogS2VubmV0aCBQb3J0ZXIgdmlhIFN0YXJsaW5rIDxz dGFybGlua0BsaXN0cy5idWZmZXJibG9hdC5uZXQ+DQo+IFJlcGx5LVRvOiBLZW5uZXRoIFBvcnRl ciA8c2hpdmFAc2V3aW5nd2l0Y2guY29tPg0KPiBUbzogc3RhcmxpbmtAbGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxv YXQubmV0DQo+IFN1YmplY3Q6IFtTdGFybGlua10gUmU6IEFJIElOIFNQQUNFOiBQb3N0IGZyb20g RWxvbiBNdXNrIChAZWxvbm11c2spDQo+IA0KPiBJdCdzIGFsbCBnZW9tZXRyeS7CoFJlY2FsbCB0 aGF0IHRoZSBFYXJ0aCBpcyA4MDAwIG1pbGVzIGluIGRpYW1ldGVyLiBMRU8gaXMgDQo+IGp1c3Qg YSBmZXcgaHVuZHJlZMKgIG1pbGVzIGFib3ZlIHRoZSBzdXJmYWNlLCBzbyB5b3UnbGwgc3BlbmQg aGFsZiB5b3VyIG9yYml0IA0KPiBpbiBzaGFkb3cuIElmIHlvdSBwdXQgdGhlIHNhdGVsbGl0ZSBt dWNoIGhpZ2hlciBhbmQgaW4gYSB0aWx0ZWQgb3JiaXQsIGl0IA0KPiBzcGVuZHMgbXVjaCBsZXNz IHRpbWUgaW4gc2hhZG93LiBNdWNoIGxpa2UgaG93IHRoZSBFYXJ0aCBhbmQgTW9vbiByYXJlbHkg DQo+IGVjbGlwc2UgZWFjaCBvdGhlci4NCj4NCj4gTGFncmFuZ2UgcG9pbnRzIEw0IGFuZCBMNSBh cmUgYWR2YW50YWdlb3VzIGJlY2F1c2UgdGhlIG9yYml0cyBhcmUgc3RhYmxlLCANCj4gY29tcGFy ZWQgdG8gdGhlIG90aGVyIExhZ3JhbmdlIHBvaW50cy4gVGhlIGRvd25zaWRlIGlzIHRoYXQgdGhl eSdyZSAyNTAsMDAwIA0KPiBtaWxlcyBhd2F5LCBpbiB0aGUgc2FtZSBvcmJpdCBhcyB0aGUgbW9v bi4gT25lIGxlYWRzIHRoZSBtb29uIGJ5IDYwIGRlZ3JlZXMgDQo+IHdoaWxlIHRoZSBvdGhlciBs YWdzIGl0LiBUaGV5J2QgYmUgZ29vZCBpZiB5b3UgdXNlZCBsdW5hciBtYXRlcmlhbCB0byBidWls ZCANCj4geW91ciBzYXRlbGxpdGVzLCBidXQgYmFkIGlmIHlvdSByYWlzZSB0aGUgbWF0ZXJpYWwg ZnJvbSB0aGUgRWFydGguIEEgZ2Vvc3luYyANCj4gb3JiaXQgaXMgYWJvdXQgMjIsMDAwIG1pbGVz IGFib3ZlIHNlYSBsZXZlbCAoMjYsMDAwIHJhZGl1cykgYnV0IGRvIHlvdSBuZWVkIA0KPiB0byBt YWludGFpbiBwb3NpdGlvbiBvdmVyIHRoZSBzYW1lIHBvaW50IG9uIHRoZSBzdXJmYWNlPw0KPg0K PiBBIG1lZGl1bSBFYXJ0aCBvcmJpdCAoTUVPKSBpcyBwcm9iYWJseSBhIGdvb2QgY29tcHJvbWlz ZSBmb3IgRWFydGgtc291cmNlZCANCj4gbWF0ZXJpYWxzLg0KPg0KPiBMb3cgRWFydGggb3JiaXQg aXMgY3Jvd2RlZCBidXQgY2hlYXAgYW5kIHN1ZmZlcnMgdGhlIHNoYWRvdyBwcm9ibGVtLiBQcm9i YWJseSANCj4gbm90IGEgZ29vZCBwbGFjZS4NCj4NCj4gaHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3Jn L3dpa2kvTWVkaXVtX0VhcnRoX29yYml0DQo+DQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZy93 aWtpL0xhZ3JhbmdlX3BvaW50DQo+DQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZy93aWtpL0dl b3N5bmNocm9ub3VzX29yYml0DQo+DQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZy93aWtpL0xv d19FYXJ0aF9vcmJpdA0KPg0KPg0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPiBTdGFybGluayBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QgLS0gc3RhcmxpbmtAbGlzdHMu YnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0DQo+IFRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwgdG8gc3Rhcmxp bmstbGVhdmVAbGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0DQo+