From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-4027.protonmail.ch (mail-4027.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64AB83B29E for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:54:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:54:43 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1671465291; x=1671724491; bh=0rYciE/DoIlh1qBVYojX6gVvo5XfXJPvpUX4eUCKdoY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=OrsK3pGywL8oNGS2aWYriMSRwCcJur8SdXC97nE32YTaKbAIRoQ56A21ZOqoeffWD JQ26Um8MzH2iZvmEM+ONwzqFfJG79ikyiYsL9GmVNn8VVPnijudZRlL8ER39UOU1mk rqgzSvfXETFB5atwcDOkTAC7psABrdktYMdttafKOw99lWts/v5mR/RouIv8uFRrig 762hk3h846mLK3Z1K9/UzjkFE0ANiz5yUvPCKJYAHI6HUvU/PJ428vdMxA+WCF9qez yg2GWSiaq6IknN/Kj6EIPcYage1SvJ5G3/Zf3P4TKLn2RLD5ymwTtW/V8HyZD+dbAH GrP2zJs0iqfXw== To: David Lang From: Eric Cc: Oleg Kutkov , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <41798860-aac5-7f36-3def-76c3400182a2@olegkutkov.me> Feedback-ID: 48716100:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink terminal detector X-BeenThere: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Starlink has bufferbloat. Bad." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:54:53 -0000 Get a bunch of US$3 ESP8266 devices, set them up in AP mode with spoofed St= arlink MACs and BSSIDs, power them with solar cells + old vape-pen batterie= s and spread them all over the place. There's nothing like causing the oth= er side to shoot $50k missiles at a $15 decoy. ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, December 18th, 2022 at 20:49, David Lang via Starlink wrote: > and change the name of the starlink wifi so it doesn't stand out as much. >=20 > David Lang >=20 > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote: >=20 > > From the beginning, the general rule is don't use Starlink WiFi. Or > > hide the router somewhere to reduce RF emissions. > >=20 > > We have developed a set of rules and recommendations about using a PoE > > injector or bypassing the Starlink router. > > Unfortunately, a lot of people ignore safety. > >=20 > > But there are some countermeasures on the way. > >=20 > > On 12/19/22 05:03, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote: > >=20 > > > Actually, there is nothing special. > > >=20 > > > You can capture WiFi beacons and get a BSSID with a good directional > > > antenna. 10 - 15 km it's not a problem. > > >=20 > > > They are filtering Starlink router BSSID to figure out that somewhere > > > there is Starlink. > > > Starlink WiFi router uses Tibro corp. (74:24: prefix). > > > On 12/19/22 04:41, Dave Taht via Starlink wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Starlink detector boasted about... 10km range. > >=20 > > https://www.notebookcheck.net/Starlink-terminal-detection-radar-to-ente= r-testing-in-Ukraine-as-per-Russian-military-blogger.675439.0.html > >=20 > > > > I would have figured on starlinks less further front, combined with > > > > non los radios and ptp wifi being viable. Targeting every wifi > > > > transmitter is a low percentage play, and adhoc modes for direction= al > > > > wifi with synthetic mac's harder to distinguish ... > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Starlink mailing list > > > > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink