* [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W @ 2012-09-23 3:22 Joe Williams 2012-09-23 4:33 ` Eric S. Raymond 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Joe Williams @ 2012-09-23 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 188 bytes --] Are these units generally available yet? If so, where can I purchase one? If not, any idea when they will be? Thanks. -Joe -- Name: Joseph A. Williams Email: williams.joe@gmail.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 468 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-23 3:22 [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W Joe Williams @ 2012-09-23 4:33 ` Eric S. Raymond 2012-09-23 5:07 ` Jim Thompson 2012-09-26 19:52 ` Joe Williams 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Eric S. Raymond @ 2012-09-23 4:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Williams; +Cc: thumbgps-devel Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com>: > Are these units generally available yet? If so, where can I purchase one? If not, any idea when they will be? No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from NaviSys. -- <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-23 4:33 ` Eric S. Raymond @ 2012-09-23 5:07 ` Jim Thompson 2012-09-24 22:32 ` Gary E. Miller 2012-09-26 19:52 ` Joe Williams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-23 5:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: esr; +Cc: thumbgps-devel They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. I've not yet tried Linux. Jim On Sep 22, 2012, at 11:33 PM, "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> wrote: > Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com>: >> Are these units generally available yet? If so, where can I purchase one? If not, any idea when they will be? > > No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from NaviSys. > -- > <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a> > _______________________________________________ > Thumbgps-devel mailing list > Thumbgps-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/thumbgps-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-23 5:07 ` Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-24 22:32 ` Gary E. Miller 2012-09-25 1:49 ` Jim Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-24 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jim Thompson; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 386 bytes --] Yo Jim! On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0500 Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. Really? First I've heard of it. What's the issue? RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-24 22:32 ` Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-25 1:49 ` Jim Thompson 2012-09-25 1:58 ` Gary E. Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-25 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gary E. Miller; +Cc: thumbgps-devel On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > Yo Jim! > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0500 > Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > >> They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. > > Really? First I've heard of it. What's the issue? In a word: jitter The PPS API described in RFC2783 isn't supported on USB serial ports on FreeBSD 8.3 or 9.0 Note that the PPS API *is* supported: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/sys/timepps.h?v=FREEBSD9 http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/kern/kern_ntptime.c?v=FREEBSD9 But that timepps.h is only included via uart/uart_bus http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/uart/uart_bus.h?v=FREEBSD9 Compare: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/uart/uart_core.c?v=FREEBSD9 and http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/sio/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 and http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/pc98/cbus/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 to anything found in http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/usb/serial/?v=FREEBSD9 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-25 1:49 ` Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-25 1:58 ` Gary E. Miller 2012-09-25 2:04 ` Jim Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-25 1:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jim Thompson; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1303 bytes --] Yo Jim! On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:49:42 -0500 Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > > On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > > > Yo Jim! > > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0500 > > Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > > > >> They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. > > > > Really? First I've heard of it. What's the issue? > > In a word: jitter And how much jitter? The lack of RFC2783 should not be noticeable since the jitter on the USB serial is so large. RFC2783 helps in the micro Second range and the USB serial is in the milli Second range. So with, and without you are going to get about 1 milli Second jitter. So, what problem are you pointing up with *BSD? > Compare: > http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/uart/uart_core.c?v=FREEBSD9 > and > http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/sio/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 > and > http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/pc98/cbus/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 > > to anything found in > > http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/usb/serial/?v=FREEBSD9 Not sure what you are trying to show me. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-25 1:58 ` Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-25 2:04 ` Jim Thompson 2012-09-25 2:20 ` Gary E. Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-25 2:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gary E. Miller; +Cc: thumbgps-devel ntpd won't enable the PPS stuff, because the ioctl to 'discover' same fails. covered on-list back in June/July On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:58 PM, "Gary E. Miller" <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > Yo Jim! > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:49:42 -0500 > Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem@rellim.com> wrote: >> >>> Yo Jim! >>> >>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0500 >>> Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: >>> >>>> They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. >>> >>> Really? First I've heard of it. What's the issue? >> >> In a word: jitter > > And how much jitter? The lack of RFC2783 should not be noticeable since > the jitter on the USB serial is so large. RFC2783 helps in the > micro Second range and the USB serial is in the milli Second range. > > So with, and without you are going to get about 1 milli Second jitter. > > So, what problem are you pointing up with *BSD? > >> Compare: >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/uart/uart_core.c?v=FREEBSD9 >> and >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/sio/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 >> and >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/pc98/cbus/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 >> >> to anything found in >> >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/usb/serial/?v=FREEBSD9 > > Not sure what you are trying to show me. > > RGDS > GARY > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 > gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-25 2:04 ` Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-25 2:20 ` Gary E. Miller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-25 2:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jim Thompson; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1992 bytes --] Yo Jim! On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:04:14 -0500 Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > ntpd won't enable the PPS stuff, because the ioctl to 'discover' same > fails. Thus one uses gpsd. > covered on-list back in June/July Moot. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 > On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:58 PM, "Gary E. Miller" <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > > > Yo Jim! > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:49:42 -0500 > > Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Yo Jim! > >>> > >>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 00:07:43 -0500 > >>> Jim Thompson <jim@netgate.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> They don't work that we'll on FreeBSD. > >>> > >>> Really? First I've heard of it. What's the issue? > >> > >> In a word: jitter > > > > And how much jitter? The lack of RFC2783 should not be noticeable > > since the jitter on the USB serial is so large. RFC2783 helps in > > the micro Second range and the USB serial is in the milli Second > > range. > > > > So with, and without you are going to get about 1 milli Second > > jitter. > > > > So, what problem are you pointing up with *BSD? > > > >> Compare: > >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/uart/uart_core.c?v=FREEBSD9 > >> and > >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/sio/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 > >> and > >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/pc98/cbus/sio.c?v=FREEBSD9 > >> > >> to anything found in > >> > >> http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/usb/serial/?v=FREEBSD9 > > > > Not sure what you are trying to show me. > > > > RGDS > > GARY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR > > 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 > [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-23 4:33 ` Eric S. Raymond 2012-09-23 5:07 ` Jim Thompson @ 2012-09-26 19:52 ` Joe Williams 2012-09-26 20:00 ` Gary E. Miller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Joe Williams @ 2012-09-26 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: esr; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 429 bytes --] On Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com (mailto:williams.joe@gmail.com)>: > > Are these units generally available yet? If so, where can I purchase one? If not, any idea when they will be? > > > No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from NaviSys. I have no desire to own 100 of these. :D What is the next best USB based device? -Joe [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 875 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-26 19:52 ` Joe Williams @ 2012-09-26 20:00 ` Gary E. Miller 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Dave Taht 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Joe Williams 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-26 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Williams; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 648 bytes --] Yo Joe! On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com> wrote: > > No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from > > NaviSys. > > I have no desire to own 100 of these. :D What is the next best USB > based device? We know of no other USB GPS providing PPS. If enough people wanted a GR-601W I would do the bulk order and reship. So far I have only heard of a few people ready to buy. RGDS GARY --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-26 20:00 ` Gary E. Miller @ 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Dave Taht 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Joe Williams 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2012-09-26 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gary E. Miller; +Cc: thumbgps-devel On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Gary E. Miller <gem@rellim.com> wrote: > Yo Joe! > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 > Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from >> > NaviSys. >> >> I have no desire to own 100 of these. :D What is the next best USB >> based device? > > We know of no other USB GPS providing PPS. > > If enough people wanted a GR-601W I would do the bulk order and reship. > So far I have only heard of a few people ready to buy. > > RGDS > GARY Yea, well as one of my plans was if gary didn't step up, would be to try a pre-order campaign on amazon (via my company, teklibre) to get to the 100 unit goal. Actually, to get a custom silkscreen will take 700... Alternatively use 'em as kickstarter/indigogo swag. or make it part of the worldwide testbed rollout. Or all three. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97701 > gem@rellim.com Tel:+1(541)382-8588 > > _______________________________________________ > Thumbgps-devel mailing list > Thumbgps-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/thumbgps-devel > -- Dave Täht http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki - "3.3.8-17 is out with fq_codel!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Navisys GR-601W 2012-09-26 20:00 ` Gary E. Miller 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Dave Taht @ 2012-09-26 20:05 ` Joe Williams 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Joe Williams @ 2012-09-26 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gary E. Miller; +Cc: thumbgps-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 693 bytes --] On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote: > Yo Joe! > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:52:46 -0700 > Joe Williams <williams.joe@gmail.com (mailto:williams.joe@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > No U.S. retailer has stepped up yet. You can buy them qty100 from > > > NaviSys. > > > > > > > > > I have no desire to own 100 of these. :D What is the next best USB > > based device? > > > > > We know of no other USB GPS providing PPS. > > If enough people wanted a GR-601W I would do the bulk order and reship. > So far I have only heard of a few people ready to buy. > > FWIW I would be willing to buy one initially and after testing possibly a few (6 or so) more. -Joe [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1288 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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