From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6CD9200890 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by werm1 with SMTP id m1so2135291wer.16 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8x6KdeoG0I5YpCP4arBwezSd2DouCPYLjT1+HWzJqxA=; b=dLU0CbaZU443NRhARUTXji08xPoZprfsfOTdeeYyMPt+0nvu5f4BLiINzeWpitYMHS tEvvxmbIGD2Cz2lyAl5pjYJTiPNH/zsZutBT6m4oaR7ohtOfN6yegPQYxuO4wgTld+T9 Z+JQJ3PH3kOnUa3sncP3Kg2I8gevSajicnQfiZKzr2PaCYANizREZqcNcFqnGW3mRO9B CEqF2r1gtBKn7HNxlJ3YErGjCmTYWkqBGzv9nafPgBlA8T0STGHU4KpDl7aWBOmtFoC1 M6FGaQ9H70wz4vjreJj4D/1RSGodB6HvoFYDWzL55qxmief/w+QTKM4APIhYwefnCZhV FEjQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.8 with SMTP id ee8mr2012052wib.14.1331693194775; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.151.8 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120313230612.GA24800@thyrsus.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:46:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: tz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: thumbgps-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Thumbgps-devel] Project clarification X-BeenThere: thumbgps-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:46:37 -0000 On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:28 PM, tz wrote: > Anyone remember Metricomm?=A0 The interner from the light-poles.=A0 I sti= ll have > two (user) modems.=A0 They all had their gps coordinates as part of their > connect data. > > A Low-cost, versatile, 'hacker' gps would be welcome many places I did a lot of work on mosquitonet, which was based on those (Very cool) ra= dios. from: http://www.rage.net/wireless/diary.html 04/18/98: "We plug greg's ricochet into screamingslave and tweak and hack and get a connection that stays up (mostly). It's connected to a cell nearly 20 miles away! (this is on a device rated for .3 miles) The wonderful service of ml.org provides us a stable domain name for our unstable ip addresses. Now we have mail, basic web service, and the ability to get to our machines at home from anywhere. Yea! It's very s l o w, however, 400-800 ms turnaround time. Ugh. Going up and down confuses the ip_masquarading code in linux 2.0.30 terribly. Ultimately we just live with a conventional web proxy and ssh into the main box to get to the outside world. Fired off an email to ricochet telling them of our amazing success, they don't believe us, greg put up our chart of the line of sight modems we detected. http://www.rage.net/cells.gif " Yes the GPS feature was darn useful then and darn useful today. ... While I'm often quite happy with what happened with wireless after those good ole days... I sometimes sadly think the structure of today's wireless APs is my fault. And so do some other people. http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2010/10/who-invented-embedded-linux-based.html What we'd done then with one access point, and published widely, became the standard AP. What we hadn't published, that are everpresent-ly discussed in the emails that got unearthed as part that court case - things like real dns, and a web proxy, and bandwidth management - are what never made the marketplace. And the lesson learned in 96-98 from the behavior of tcp over such unreliable wireless links has led to such massive overkill today as to further break tcp. A little ARQ goes a long way.... > On Mar 13, 2012 9:10 PM, "Dave Taht" wrote: > >> 1) jg and I were involved in olpc and one of my long term other >> projects has been to finish spreading the internet around the world. >> Doing that in many places gets hard. I was working on mesh networks, >> and having small gpses actually on routers on the poles/trees/etc >> would have helped a lot on finding the devices again. (this is >> something of project creep, see 3). In the long run (after this >> project!) I'm thinking something 'smile plug'-like+gps. --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://www.bufferbloat.net