From: David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com>
To: codel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: [Codel] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Rpm] Re: Re: [Cake] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:44:31 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e68abec2-6fd8-4fc4-ad26-5ca10859551c@rogers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c6d77d510a14f0d484c837d8bf61992c@umbernetworks.com>
On 6/7/26 14:10, bob.mcmahon--- via Codel wrote:
> The cliff behavior under saturation is real, and retry/rate fallback
> can make it worse. Lower MCS consumes more airtime, which increases
> collision exposure, which drives more retries and more fallback. All
> degrading tail latencies and, hence, user experience.
I believe you've just described a load-dependent queuing center. I don't
/personally/ know what to do to mitigate them, but the queuing-networks
mathies do.
--dave
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-08 12:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-14 16:46 [Codel] "Fi-Wi is a new forwarding plane for wireless" - Bob McMahon Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 17:08 ` [Codel] Re: [Cake] " David Lang
2026-05-14 17:26 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-14 19:38 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-14 19:55 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 11:11 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-15 13:57 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 14:18 ` David Lang
2026-05-15 15:17 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-19 13:52 ` [Codel] Re: [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2026-05-19 18:59 ` David Lang
2026-05-19 22:45 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-21 19:42 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-21 20:02 ` dan
2026-05-22 14:36 ` [Codel] Re: [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2026-05-23 2:18 ` dan
2026-05-23 16:36 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-23 22:12 ` dan
2026-05-24 20:06 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-24 21:57 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-05-25 5:43 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25 6:58 ` Sebastian Moeller
2026-05-25 12:45 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-05-25 13:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07 6:15 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-06-07 9:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-07 10:19 ` [Codel] Re: [Bloat] Re: [Rpm] " David Lang
2026-06-07 18:10 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07 18:30 ` dan
2026-06-07 19:10 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 0:29 ` dan
2026-06-08 2:55 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 4:06 ` David Lang
2026-06-08 6:26 ` [Codel] Re: [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2026-06-08 3:59 ` [Codel] Re: [Bloat] " David Lang
2026-06-08 5:18 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-08 6:53 ` David Lang
2026-06-08 10:29 ` Frantisek Borsik
2026-06-08 12:44 ` David Collier-Brown [this message]
2026-06-09 3:40 ` bob.mcmahon
2026-06-07 6:49 ` David Lang
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