[Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017

David Lang david at lang.hm
Wed Nov 23 12:56:35 EST 2016

that doesn't even do 5GHz, so your wifi performance will be cripped by 
interference and the lack of available bandwidth.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Noah Causin wrote:

> There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the 
> Netduma R1 Router.  It's main feature is reducing lag.  It does this 
> through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering.  (Limiting available servers to your 
> local region = reduced RTT)
> It seems relatively popular in the gaming world, especially console.
> It is based on OpenWRT Chaos Calmer: https://netduma.com/opensource/
> It has an advanced QOS system that already uses FQ_Codel.
> Here are the hardware specs:
> https://netduma.com/features/hardware/
> I assume it has an ath9k.
> Maybe they could implement the ath9k fq_codel and airtime patches.
> The user base that buys this product seems like they would be more 
> familiar with setting up routers than the average person.
> On 11/23/2016 12:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
>>> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro 
>>> based bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and 
>>> it applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up 
>>> awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact 
>>> with popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put 
>>> much effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that 
>>> people can easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking 
>>> of telling people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the 
>>> firmware on your router requires too much research, and many people 
>>> care about bleeding edge features. You need something that works in 
>>> tangent with whatever they are using.
>> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you 
>> set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast 
>> oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then 
>> you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution.
>> I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" 
>> is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working 
>> solution for someone with that kind of skillset.
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