[Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017

Noah Causin n0manletter at gmail.com
Wed Nov 23 12:50:38 EST 2016

There is a company called Netduma which sells a product called the 
Netduma R1 Router.  It's main feature is reducing lag.  It does this 
through QOS and GEO-IP Filtering.  (Limiting available servers to your 
local region = reduced RTT)

It seems relatively popular in the gaming world, especially console.

It is based on OpenWRT Chaos Calmer: https://netduma.com/opensource/

It has an advanced QOS system that already uses FQ_Codel.

Here are the hardware specs:


I assume it has an ath9k.

Maybe they could implement the ath9k fq_codel and airtime patches.

The user base that buys this product seems like they would be more 
familiar with setting up routers than the average person.

On 11/23/2016 12:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Benjamin Cronce wrote:
>> If there is a simple affordable solution, say Open/DD-WRT distro 
>> based bridge that all you do is configure your up/down bandwidth and 
>> it applies Codel/fq-Codel/Cake, then all you need to do is drive up 
>> awareness. A good channel for awareness would be getting in contact 
>> with popular Twitch or YouTube gaming streamers. But I wouldn't put 
>> much effort into driving up awareness until there is a device that 
>> people can easily acquire, use, and afford. At first I was thinking 
>> of telling people to use *-WRT supporting routers, but changing the 
>> firmware on your router requires too much research, and many people 
>> care about bleeding edge features. You need something that works in 
>> tangent with whatever they are using.
> If Comcast sells you 100/20 (I have no idea if this is a thing), you 
> set your upstream on this box to 18 meg fq_codel, and then Comcast 
> oversubscribes you so you only get 15 meg up part of the time, then 
> you're still bloated by the modem. This is not a solution.
> I don't think "buy $thing, install *WRT on it, configure it like this" 
> is above most gamers, but I'm afraid we don't even have a working 
> solution for someone with that kind of skillset.

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