[Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

Michael Welzl michawe at ifi.uio.no
Wed Apr 4 15:38:02 EDT 2018

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> On 4 Apr 2018, at 21:23, Michael Richardson <mcr at sandelman.ca> wrote:
> Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How dead is posix these days? Ietf does not generally do apis well.
> I disagree.
> IETF has lore says that it doesn't do APIs well, and so it's a
> self-fullfiling prophecy.  Everyone knows it's true without any actual
> evidence, so nobody tries.
> Who does do APIs well today?  Microsoft's API story is a disaster,
> so despite decades of market dominance, their networking APIs are not
> defacto standard.  While it looks like Linux does APIs well, actually,
> it just does a really good job at getting the public APIs implemented.
> The IPv6 BSD sockets API is a roaring success.
> It's just not enough given MIF, DNSSD, IPsec, LISP, etc.  The problem
> space has expanded.
> The problem is getting API work funded across Google, Apple, MS, *BSD,
> and Linux.

fwiw, apple is on board of taps and actively involved, and the neat project  ( www.neat-project.org ) made an open source library that runs on linux and bsd systems

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