[Bloat] Thanks to developers / htb+fq_codel ISP shaper

[Robert Chacon]

I can assure you, it's making a real difference for our customers. On the
"WISP Talk" facebook group dozens of small ISPs like ours regularly report
the improvements fq_codel has had on their networks and customer retention
(Preseem, Sensei).
In our case, most of our customers recently switched to us from the
incumbent telco - a major company with higher bandwidth offerings but also
high pricing.
We mostly use 802.11ac PtMP radios, which *should* mean lots of latency
spikes and odd performance in such a noisy 5GHz environment.
Fq_codel has really stabilized performance of our links, and qdisc stats
have been able to help us to track down problematic connections before the
customer knows anything is wrong.
Amazingly, nearly every one of our subscribers describes having a more
stable video conferencing experience than with the incumbent - since we
added fq_codel.
It offers small ISPs like ours a unique competitive advantage, while also
alleviating headaches for many families who were having performance issues
on other providers at the start of the pandemic when everything switched to
video conferencing.

I'm very sorry about the dinghy. I can imagine that's stressful so I hope
you're able to find a good replacement ASAP.
I'm going to post about LibreQoS on some ISP forums I frequent and see if
we can't get some modest contributions to the patreon.
A good deal of us small ISP operators owe a great deal to linux traffic
control and all these related open source projects for keeping us going
against the big guys.
Your work has put bloat and network performance in the spotlight and helped
bring many disparate devs and stakeholders together to make linux tc work
well.
Given how many ISPs pay $5000+/yr for proprietary wrappers for
htb+fq_codel, I am hopeful they'll see the value in supporting long term
advances in linux networking, and contribute back!

As someone who makes music on linux myself (bitwig mostly, which connects
to JACK) I am very excited to mess with JackTrip. How neat! Also thank you
for familiarizing me with Galene - I had always hoped more webrtc related
p2p video platforms would take off and I'm going to keep an eye on it.
Everyone could benefit from p2p and decentralization there, plus us ISPs
would stop getting yelled at when Zoom servers go down haha.

I will check the ecn mark vs drop stats tomorrow and see what they are at.


On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 9:26 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you robert, but way more than dozens of folk were and remain more
> involved
> in the effort. For starters Jim Gettys fired it all up, and like him,
> I'm mostly retreated to
> the sidelines, working on other things. Perhaps in 2021, with a new
> administration
> and FCC chair, and so many families stuck at home... will be the year
> the average user will finally get gear that does more of the right
> things, especially for videoconferencing, by default, led by the
> smaller ISPs in competitive markets.
>
> I've never figured out how to get the message "more out"; we ran a funding
> drive
> once that got more PR. Half the donations I take from
> https://www.patreon.com/dtaht go to keeping the flent servers alive
> and the other half buys top ramen. I just lost my
> dinghy in a windstorm and can't even get "home" at the moment, and one of
> my big frustrations from the harbor vantage point whenever I manage to
> get back...
>
> is having to run cake in front of my cell phone in order to make it
> behave... and another is to see all the very poor offloads from major
> manufacturers that claim an SQM implementation that doesn't actually
> work....
>
> But all grousing aside:
>
> THANK YOU VERY MUCH for open sourcing a set of tools that help
> out a smaller ISP. We're all in this bloat together, and by sharing
> code and ideas
> we can make for a faster, more reliable, better internet, for everyone.
>
> I am quite behind on reading the bloat list, and this thread made my day.
>
> thx
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Robert Chacon
> <robert.chacon at jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I am new here, my name is Robert. I operate a small ISP in the US. I
> wanted to post here to thank Dave Täht, as well as the dozens of
> contributors to the fq_codel and cake projects.
> >
> > I created a simple python application that uses htb+fq_codel to shape my
> customers' traffic, and have seen great performance improvements. I am
> maintaining it as an open source project for other ISPs to use at
> https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS
> >
> > Mostly I just wanted to thank Dave and everyone else here for working to
> make fq_codel and cake possible. These are hugely helpful projects that
> have helped improve our network, and thousands of other networks around the
> world. Looking at discussions from fellow ISPs who use Preseem and Sensei,
> which use fq_codel, small ISP networks across the world are hugely
> benefiting from fq_codel. They are now able to retain customers who would
> have otherwise been lost - thanks to fq_codel and the many optimizations
> you all made possible. I hope more ISPs are able to deploy fq_codel and/or
> cake using our tool or commercial applications like Preseem and Sensei.
> Amid COVID, fq_codel is really important for keeping work-from-home and
> remote learning connectivity stable. Thank you all!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Robert Chacon
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>
>
> --
> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman
>
> dave at taht.net <Dave Täht> CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729
>


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