[Bloat] the future of tcp - train wreck or evolution?

[Michael Welzl]

> On Jun 16, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 10:48 PM Michael Welzl <michawe at ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>> 
>> … but I’m excited about slide 15 !
>> 
>> "Heat, CO2, and radioactive waste are becoming measurable by-products of TCP inefficiency
>> Fix TCP => Save the World!”
> 
> QUIC contributes 3x(?) more to global warming than TCP in these cases.

Why?

Cheers,
Michael


> Btw, there's an interesting company attempting to put DCs underwater,
> perhaps attached to old oil rigs or under windfarms, looking for their
> first investment round, here, if you know anyone?
> 
> https://www.subseacloud.com/
> 
> I was a big jock cousteau fan back in the day.
> 
> Me, I've been mostly moving back to local applications, libreoffice is
> a real joy compared to google docs, and I figure local apps are far,
> far more power efficient than DCs are.
> 
>> People don’t yet focus enough on this - and it’s not only relevant in a data center context. See also:
>> 
>> Michael Welzl: "Not a Trade-Off: On the Wi-Fi Energy Efficiency of Effective Internet Congestion Control", IEEE/IFIP WONS 2022, virtual, 30 March - 1 April 2022.
>> Preprint: https://folk.universitetetioslo.no/michawe/research/publications/wons2022_authors_version.pdf
>> 
>> A couple of IETFs ago, I did sign up to present something along these lines at an ICCRG meeting, but I asked late and got squeezed into an “if time permits” slot; some day in the future I’ll ask for a “proper slot” to elaborate on this.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 4:35 AM, Dave Taht via Bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>> as seen in 2008.
>> 
>> https://slideplayer.com/slide/5747321/
>> 
>> Regrettably all the answers on slide 13 are elided.
> 
> It was how clearly pugs saw things back then that was remarkable. I've
> been really enjoying his twitter and blog ( https://akapugs.blog/)
> lately. Also on a recent thread he pointed out this really excellent
> computer history book:
> https://twitter.com/aka_pugs/status/1537229947042820096
> 
> History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.
> 
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