[Bloat] [NNagain] massively less drafty FCC NOI response on raising the broadband standard speeds

rjmcmahon rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com
Tue Nov 28 20:47:29 EST 2023


c-suites do like pictures ;) Us automation types like histograms that 
can be fed into statistical tools.

I've attached a few and can clean them up a bit if it helps. The 20 
flows are to demonstrate that shifting any of the PDFs affects QoE per 
tail latencies of the worst flow.

Bob
> I would love an iperf2 example plot(s) (bad vs good) that a c-suiter
> could understand in appendix B.
> 
> I am still smarting from how incorrectly this plot was interpreted.
> 
> https://github.com/cilium/cilium/issues/29083#issuecomment-1824676409
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:24 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon at rjmcmahon.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm being schedule to present iperf 2 to the FCC TAC sometime 
>> in
>> January 2024. I'll know more soon.
>> 
>> I plan to have a hands on session, going over
>> 
>> o) WiFi/Broadband key latency technologies
>> o) Iperf 2 tooling and metrics, including bloat (in units of memory)
>> o) A WiFi diagnostics latency panel from a chip perspective
>> o) Suggested actions the FCC TAC can take to facilitate better in home
>> wireless networks to support low latency needs of all Americans
>> 
>> The assumption is they realize that low latency is long overdue and 
>> that
>> solutions are in the realm of today's engineering and, of course,
>> nature's physics.
>> 
>> Bob
>> > I would like to thank everyone that lept into making a contribution to
>> > this document today! It is in much better shape than it was yesterday.
>> > 2 days to go!!!
>> >
>> > Please comment on the document here:
>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
>> >
>> > If you like where the document is going, please put in your signature.
>> > I will submit a final draft for global review a few hours before the
>> > deadline.
>> >
>> > I would also like to humbly thank Steve Crocker for contributing $500
>> > to the gofundme drive for this effort. Steve is the author of the very
>> > first RFC[1], which defined the processes by which the Arpanet and
>> > internet were defined and refined, to this day. He made many other
>> > fundamental contributions along the way. RFC1's history is well worth
>> > reviewing:
>> >
>> > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2015/04/46-years-of-rfcs-celebrating-the-anniversary-of-rfc-1/
>> >
>> > I am hoping our efforts here, this week, lay a foundation for a much
>> > better internet moving forward!
>> >
>> > A huge thanks to all the other donors to date also! Aside from
>> > gratitude I do not know what to say.  I sent "Tanya" my last "this
>> > machine kills vogons" sticker, but I have new one - since I have
>> > mellowed - that says "This Machine CURES Vogons"  - would anyone want
>> > one of these?), bringing the sum to a magical $1111 as I write. This
>> > is more than enough for a press release! When we did the successful
>> > make-wifi-fast fcc fight, we also brought on board a media manager,
>> > did some outreach, and my uni (karstaad) threw in for a plane ticket
>> > to fly to Washington, and the total cost was about 12k all told.
>> > Presently I plan to focus on getting a good document in by the
>> > deadline, with as many signatures as possible, and do PR later.
>> >
>> > gofundme link: https://gofund.me/c1f3ad18
>> >
>> > PS I would also like to thank "robert" for throwing in $250 (via other
>> > means), although I am not sure if he was throwing in to keep the flent
>> > fleet alive or this effort.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 4:42 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is so drafty that normally I would not be distributing it this
>> >> early, but family matters have intruded overmuch (in a good way, I
>> >> hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!!) and the Dec 1 deadline is
>> >> looming..
>> >>
>> >> Co-authors (and commentors) desired! I primarily wanted to hit
>> >> latency, latency under load, bufferbloat, as usual, as well as MTBF
>> >> and MTTR as well as how complex networks are, . Just three pages, +
>> >> repeatable experiments in the appendix, so at least those are in the
>> >> public record. Cite the bitag latency report, and this cloudflare
>> >> piece, especially:
>> >>
>> >> https://blog.cloudflare.com/making-home-internet-faster/
>> >>
>> >> Anyway the far too drafty draft is here:
>> >>
>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>
>> >> In terms of things not flowing for me the concept of equating the need
>> >> for more bandwidth as a solution to everything... to the "chewbacca
>> >> defense" is entertaining but possibly not useful. People are already
>> >> telling me the conclusion is too strong, and it's 4:30 AM, and I am
>> >> going back to bed.
>> >>
>> >> Please comment there, and not here. Thanks for any spare brain cells
>> >> you might have! gnight.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
>> >> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> 
> 
> 
> --
> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
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