[Cake] policers, finally

[Dave Taht]

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:37 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM Arie <nospam at ariekanarie.nl> wrote:
> >
> > It does.
>
> well, one approach seems to be to police as per that bug report at say
> 90-95% of the actual inbound rate, while shaping at 85%... or some
> combination thereof.
>
> figuring out the "burst" value is tricky, of course, but I'd much
> rather let the queues build up in cake than the cmts, and putting a
> brick wall there at this point in the internet's evolution seems like
> a start.
>
> this morning I spent watching ietf preso after preso "accept" that
> 100ms of queuing delay and pdv was acceptible, then showing tests with
> 50 packet buffers showing that things like BBR worked ok at 100mbit,
> when... well... here I am at hundred mbit, with 300+ms of inherent
> queuing delay on the cable downlink, that shapes down nicely using
> cake vs cubic to 5-40, looking at the carnage. I *don't like* policers
> (at least, not what's deployed today), and the BBR folk don't like
> them either... but they seem necessary if overly aggressive transports
> (as netflix's appears to be, also) exist.
>
>
> >
> > On 21 July 2018 at 20:02, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> In other news:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/tohojo/sqm-scripts/issues/68
> >>
> >> does the ER4 have act_police?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM Arie <nospam at ariekanarie.nl> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's Ziggo NL/Liberty Global. I'm surprised by the reported latency in the fast.com test. Both the site and the flent ping test report about the same 60-ish ms.  DSLReports and flent RRUL report way more bufferbloat, so I guess those stress my connection more than fast.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 21 July 2018 at 19:45, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you. At least for your ISP (?), at 250mbit, you can hold the
> >> >> damage down to something reasonable, and certainly you are winning big
> >> >> on the upload.
> >> >>
> >> >> Good to know the ER4 can keep up, also.
> >> >> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:36 AM Arie <nospam at ariekanarie.nl> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Unshaped reno attached.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 21 July 2018 at 19:27, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yours is not as horrific as mine in either case.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can you provide an unshaped result as well?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:24 AM Arie <nospam at ariekanarie.nl> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Two more data points. Shaped my connection to 250Mbit out of the advertised 250Mbit (my usual setting) and shaped to 200Mbit out of the 250Mbit. This is a pre-linux-net-next cake running on an Edgemax ER4 with kernel 3.10.107-UBNT.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The regular spikes in ICMP ping is due to the crappy Puma 6 chipset in the cable modem. UDP is not affected.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 21 July 2018 at 19:20, Georgios Amanakis <gamanakis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Sat, 2018-07-21 at 09:09 -0700, Dave Taht wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > 1) Can someone else on a cablemodem (even without the latest cake,
> >> >> >> >> > this happens to me on older cake and fq_codel) try this test?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I just tried this on my cable comcast connection. I set ingress to ~80%
> >> >> >> >> of what fast.com reports when no shaper is in place.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> #tc qdisc add dev ens4 root handle 8011 cake bandwidth 16000kbit dual-
> >> >> >> >> dsthost docsis ingress
> >> >> >> >> #tc qdisc add dev ens3 root handle 8012 cake bandwidth 2500kbit dual-
> >> >> >> >> srchost nat docsis ack-filter
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I got the same result as you. This is using latest cake.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Georgios
> >> >> >> >>
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> >> >> Dave Täht
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> >> Dave Täht
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> Dave Täht
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> http://www.teklibre.com
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