[Cake] bufferbloat still misunderstood & ignored

Dave Taht dave.taht at gmail.com
Wed Mar 28 21:07:59 EDT 2018

I so wish that the network nuetrality debate included discussions such as these.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromatix99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 Mar, 2018, at 3:26 am, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A finicky bit would be who to penalize when the underlying medium
>> (shared cable) is oversubscribed.
> Two obvious reasonable solutions: share equally per subscriber, or share proportionately to provisioned bandwidth per subscriber.  Either should be fairly straightforward to implement in an integrated qdisc, and either would penalise the (instantaneously) heaviest users before affecting normal or light users.
> Equal sharing has the interesting side-effect that subscribers on lower tiers don't notice backhaul congestion at all until higher tiers have been forced down to their level.  This potentially gives ISPs an incentive to avoid such extreme congestion (by upgrading backhaul to match demand), since rational customers won't pay for bandwidth they can't use.  It also ensures that all subscribers retain a reasonable, basic level of service during abnormal congestion events.
> Conversely, proportional sharing might give a perverse incentive, since paying more gives a larger share of the pie, no matter how cramped it is.  Artificial scarcity could then be used to aid up-selling in an anti-consumer manner, similar to what's been seen with Netflix.  It would be naive to assume that ISPs won't do this, given the opportunity, so it would be better to build only the more consumer-friendly option into the software.
> Theoretically, a middle ground could be to assign a sharing weight separately from the provisioned bandwidth.  This would permit, for example, subscribers provisioned at 100:1 bandwidths to receive 4:1 service under congested conditions.  However, this would be under ISPs' control and fully documented, and would therefore be a little too tempting to abuse.
>  - Jonathan Morton


Dave Täht
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