[Cake] [Bloat] some mikrotik comments

Wed Oct 27 17:56:12 EDT 2021

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 8:17 AM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan at lostcreek.tech> wrote:
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> I listened to you on Modem, Nick is pretty involved with us on TBW, but Modem is his own thing. While there's some overlap I'd suspect that we have a diverse enough listener base that you should get some new ears. But I totally get not wanting to waste your time talking to the same audience.

I think enough new stuff has happened to have things worth talking
about in late november or early december. I can discuss some potential
new-ish topics offlist.

> I'll see about what I will need to do to setup a proper test suite to get usable data.

Particularly if we can get good data back from the mikrotik beta!
Flent is our goto tool of course. Rrul tests are generally a quick
start.

> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:18 PM Thomas Croghan <tcroghan at lostcreek.tech> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ya, I've got access to most of their CCR line, and I have a smattering of their RB line. TBH, the only places I think you will see interesting data is with the 1072 (72 tile core 1 GHz) and the 2004 (4 core 1.7 GHz ARM64).
>>
>> The former would be exciting. We have wrestled with the htb qdisc lock
>> a lot, I'm glad the ebpf version is scaling well in libreqos, but
>> I'd still suspect that number of cores to be really hard to utilize.
>>
>> > I'm also with The Brother's WISP, so if Dave wants to do a cast I can set that up with the other guys. I'm pretty sure there was some conversation about trying to get Dave on a while back.
>>
>> I was on already with dan! How quickly we forget!!
>>
>> https://www.modem.show/post/s01e07/
>>
>> is that not the brothers wisp? an affiliated show?
>>
>> I AM trying to do some form of outreach, monthly, but was hoping that
>> the apple folk would step up to talk about the rpm idea.
>>
>> After baring my soul regarding the l4s debate on reality 2.0 I'd kind
>> of had it for a while - I'd run out of good jokes - I said to myself
>> after that - ... "if (when?) starlink implements cake on the dishy,
>> perhaps joe rogan will *finally* call, and I can divert the convo from
>> bufferbloat to near earth asteroid exploration over a doobie."
>>
>> so far, he hasn't called.
>>
>> BTW!!! it's a good quarter for asteroid exploration - see the psyche
>> mission, and this: https://www.nasa.gov/planetarydefense/dart
>>
>> So, anyway, if anyone *else* here likes the idea of going on a podcast
>> on the bloat front please let me know, I did let a couple
>> opportunities slip by last month. Or if I must go on, I could use some
>> new jokes and analogies....
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 11:27 AM Jordan Szuch via Cake <cake at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Awesome, thanks! I went and subscribed to that topic so I'll get notifications when people reply. Hope to jump in once I'm less busy with my day to day work.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding more powerful hardware, I think someone replied to the mailing list earlier offering to run some tests. Sounded like he might have some bigger hardware to test out. Thomas Croghan back on Monday morning it looks like.
>> >>
>> >> Might also be worth reaching out to these guys to do some testing or evangelizing at least: https://thebrotherswisp.com/ They run a podcast with a rotating cast of network operators, WISPS, etc. And they seem pretty clued into the MIkrotik world specifically. I recall that you've jumped onto a podcast or two recently so that's why I bring it up.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I listen from time to time and one of the hosts brought up being very interested in using fq_codel and CAKE in a Multi Dwelling Unit scenario (mentioned here after a 3-4 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKG_cXGPrE&t=4444s). Actually, I think they even name check you in an earlier episode (found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1QitymNZTo&t=4285s), although one host was a bit skeptical of everything.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:09 PM
>> >> To: Jordan Szuch <jordan at inacomptc.com>
>> >> Cc: Cake List <cake at lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments
>> >>
>> >> Thx. I put the discussion and plots over here:
>> >>
>> >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307
>> >>
>> >> I might - should I feel like expounding more later this week - go back to the flent.gz files to discuss other features. Ironically the chromebook I have in front of me doesn't want to let me download a file via email and make it visible in the real filesystem. I'm vm'd off from myself for some reason.
>> >>
>> >> But my big goal, honestly, was to get some mikrotik users to test their bigger iron...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:05 AM Jordan Szuch via Bloat <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Dave,
>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting that you should send this out; I recently picked up a unit (this one specifically: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2) to do some testing of the v7 firmware. Nothing super high end but enough to do a little testing. I have CAKE set to do some shaping and so far seems functional. At least the bufferbloat speed tests from DSLReports and WaveForm indicate some shaping is happening. If you'd like any information about the unit, the v7 firmware, or particular tests run then I'd be happy to help out.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jordan
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Bloat <bloat-bounces at lists.bufferbloat.net> On Behalf Of Dave
>> >> > Taht
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:39 AM
>> >> > To: Cake List <cake at lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat
>> >> > <bloat at lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> >> > Subject: [Bloat] some mikrotik comments
>> >> >
>> >> > the v7 beta gained doc and more os support for fq_codel and cake
>> >> > recently
>> >> >
>> >> > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?p=885000#p885000
>> >> >
>> >> > anyone out there actively testing mikrotik?
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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